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A Forgotten Drink That Caffeinated North America for Centuries

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Re: A Forgotten Drink That Caffeinated North America for Centuries

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That makes me very happy to hear, and I wish your father the best of luck in making our native fruit better known. Does he sell to individuals? Or if not, do you know of a nursery where I could buy one of the improved cultivars? I wouldn't mind planting one or two more. :)

Thanks! He does. Here's his site: http://blossomnursery.com/ I'm not sure if it's the right time of year for transplanting, but he should be able to tell you if you contact him.

Thanks for the link! It looks like web ordering isn't working, but I see contact info, so I'm going to give it a shot. Some great pics, too. Cheers!

Re: A Forgotten Drink That Caffeinated North America for Centuries

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Very interesting. I drank mate with friends from Buenos Aires when I was a teen. We would drink it the traditional way, namely out of a small dried gourd with a metal straw. Are you saying that mate (pronounced mah-teh like a southerner saying "my tea" fwiw -- not an Australian addressing a friend) is not commercialized in Argentina? As in, people offer their personal mate and there are not "mate shops" that would eq…

Mendocino here (live in the US but visit Mendoza every few years). There are plenty of places one can go for coffee, but American-style coffee shops are not nearly as popular. Mate shops aren't a thing, but it isn't homebrew in the sense that people don't grow their favorite varieties of yerba mate plants in the back yard. You get a bag of yerba at the supermarket, have a thermos with hot water, and a gourd & bombill…

Is there anything akinto different flavours? Or brand differences?

Is it like people and cigarettes? Like Brand X is your brand ornate and you'd rather die than have to drink brand Y?

Is there such a thing like a sommelier for mate? Maybe like wine: "I detect notes of lavender...."

This is incredibly interesting!

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I have tried youpon tea at a cafe before and even purchased it here: https://lostpinesyaupontea.com . I like Yerba Mate quite well, so I wouldn’t say youpon in better, but I would say I like it equally well. It’s definitely worth a try.

Woohoo! We're famous :) Hey thanks for posting the link to our site. We've gotten a lot of orders from here. You rock.

Thanks for making a great product!

Re: A Forgotten Drink That Caffeinated North America for Centuries

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"Mate", not "maté". I guess it's cool to add random accents to foreign words to make them look more exotic, but this changes the pronunciation of the word and in fact turns into a different one. "Mate" refers to "yerba mate" (as in the article) or even the gourd used to consume it; it's also a common abbreviation of "jaque mate", "checkmate". "Maté", on the other hand, means "I killed".

The accent isn't there to make it look exotic, it's there to clarify the pronunciation. English steals é from French, not Spanish. Without the accent it wouldn't be obvious that it's supposed to be an ae diphthong. (Obviously it's still non-obvious, but it's a reasonable spelling.)

Hmm. Makes sense, but I'm not convinced. Borrowing an é from French also doesn't give you the correct pronunciation, since the French and the Spanish é sound different (and since Spanish does have an accented e, it makes the whole thing more confusing!). It's MAT-eh, not mat-AY. And now I feel a bit like Hermione Granger :(

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"Mate", not "maté". I guess it's cool to add random accents to foreign words to make them look more exotic, but this changes the pronunciation of the word and in fact turns into a different one. "Mate" refers to "yerba mate" (as in the article) or even the gourd used to consume it; it's also a common abbreviation of "jaque mate", "checkmate". "Maté", on the other hand, means "I killed".

For what it's worth, Wikipedia includes this explanation: > "In English, "mate" is occasionally written "maté", to distinguish it from other meanings of the word mate, although this spelling is not used in Spanish or Portuguese." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_mate A similar example is "résumé", so as to not be confused with "resume". Going further down the Wikipedia hole, here's a page describing use of diacrit…

Can't think of many non-constructed phrases where the meaning of "mate" would be ambiguous. "Drinking mate with my mates" (as many a hipster tech Londoner do in the startup scene :P). "I'm drinking my mate" should never be confusing outside of liquid cannibal circles!

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"résumé" (with accents) is a french word that means summary.

Yes, and the origin is that a résumé was a summary of your curriculum vitae , listing only the most recent/relevant parts whereas the CV was complete list of your 'life course' including all your work history, accomplishments and accreditations, no matter how long that may be. Now, at least in industry in North America, the CV has largely disappeared. It still exists in academia and in Europe the term exists but the…

Actually, European CVs are usually shorter than American résumés :)

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Bookmarked! Thanks very much :)

Or try ours. We harvest our own. That company resells someone elses ;) https://lostpinesyaupontea.com

Fair dues to you for finding this thread, you guys are on the ball

Actually I came across your (very nice) site first but you don't ship outside N. America unfortunately.

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The accent isn't there to make it look exotic, it's there to clarify the pronunciation. English steals é from French, not Spanish. Without the accent it wouldn't be obvious that it's supposed to be an ae diphthong. (Obviously it's still non-obvious, but it's a reasonable spelling.)

Hmm. Makes sense, but I'm not convinced. Borrowing an é from French also doesn't give you the correct pronunciation, since the French and the Spanish é sound different (and since Spanish does have an accented e, it makes the whole thing more confusing!). It's MAT-eh, not mat-AY. And now I feel a bit like Hermione Granger :(

It gives you the correct English pronunciation. The point isn't to make a perfect phonentic alphabet, it's to distinguish between the English word "mate" and the Spanish loan-word "maté" which have different pronunciations. And I don't think the distinction between eh and ay as you've laid out is very meaningful to a native English speaker. Depending on where you are those may be pronounced exactly the same.
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