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A Forgotten Drink That Caffeinated North America for Centuries

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Postum[1] might be the opposite. Coffee for Mormons that didn't want to break the rules. I tried it, and it was awful. But ask any Mormon you know, and they usually at least know what it is. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postum

And "Mormon tea" would be similar but not caffeine -- ephedrine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra

Now we're talking! Definitely on my todo list of drinks to try.

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This reminds me of the paw paw (not to be confused with the papaya which Australians call pawpaw) https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/09/15/550985844/th... It's a fruit that seems tropical, a close relative of the custard apple or sitaphal that tastes like a pina colada. Yet it grows natively all over the eastern US. It's so common that in many places it's every third tree in the forest. I grew up in peak pawpa…

Are these like sapotes? My grandma has a Sapote tree in San Diego and it is incredible!

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I ate a paw paw once, and since then I've been trying to find a definitely identified paw paw tree so I can recognize them in the wild. The fruit was so delicious and the seeds were really interesting and unique. If any of you are willing to show me a paw paw tree in person, please shoot me an email.

It's 1am where I live right now, but tomorrow I'll take a picture of the two in my backyard and post it. They're only just starting to leaf out after winter, but you can get a decent idea of what they look like.

Thanks for the offer, but there's more to identifying plants for me than what they look like. There's also texture, and smell. I've looked at pictures online, and it's tricky, because apparently their morphology changes depending on where they are grown.

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Holy crap, they are right! The OED does mistakenly define yaupon as having emetic properties! https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/yaupon How does one get the OED fix such an obvious error?

It's just a little outdated; that used to be the main use of the plant. Now people have found you can "microdose" it for different effects from profuse vomiting.

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I drink Yerba Mate every day, and when I heard about yaupon, definitely had to try it. Unroasted, it's very grassy, but refreshing. The roasted variety I got tasted quite similar to mate. It's really good. The biggest problem I have is that I can get a kilo of mate for $9, but 2 Oz of yaupon is in the $15-$20 range.

Where I live, yaupon is free (pick from ornamental bushes in front yard, or around practically any office building).

Around here I'd be hesitant to do that. Too many pesticides and other things sprayed on or around that stuff (particularly around office buildings with commercial groundskeepers). From personal yards, maybe since there you can control it better.

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"Mate", not "maté". I guess it's cool to add random accents to foreign words to make them look more exotic, but this changes the pronunciation of the word and in fact turns into a different one. "Mate" refers to "yerba mate" (as in the article) or even the gourd used to consume it; it's also a common abbreviation of "jaque mate", "checkmate". "Maté", on the other hand, means "I killed".

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I ordered some as well. I bet they'll wonder what caused a spike in orders today.

Just figured it out ;) Almost 30 orders so far as of last night. Thanks y'all!

What is the net weight of a package? (And why isn't it on the packaging?)

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"Mate", not "maté". I guess it's cool to add random accents to foreign words to make them look more exotic, but this changes the pronunciation of the word and in fact turns into a different one. "Mate" refers to "yerba mate" (as in the article) or even the gourd used to consume it; it's also a common abbreviation of "jaque mate", "checkmate". "Maté", on the other hand, means "I killed".

The accent isn't there to make it look exotic, it's there to clarify the pronunciation. English steals é from French, not Spanish. Without the accent it wouldn't be obvious that it's supposed to be an ae diphthong. (Obviously it's still non-obvious, but it's a reasonable spelling.)

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Go nearly anywhere in Argentina and you will find mate. People walk around with a thermos of hot water and sip all day. It is a shared cultural experience too like saying hello. You see a friend, greet them, then offer them some mate. Our SF-based company has an office in Mendoza, Argentina. You will not find baristas and coffee (though Starbucks just opened there), but plenty of mate for everyone. Due to this connec…

One thing I've always wondered is, if everyone is sharing a straw, does that lead to issues with disease transmission? Seems like it would be very easy to spread a cold around or something worse.

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This reminds me of the paw paw (not to be confused with the papaya which Australians call pawpaw) https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/09/15/550985844/th... It's a fruit that seems tropical, a close relative of the custard apple or sitaphal that tastes like a pina colada. Yet it grows natively all over the eastern US. It's so common that in many places it's every third tree in the forest. I grew up in peak pawpa…

Pawpaws have very inconsistent harvests, don't ship well at all, and have a very short ready to eat -> overripe time. They are also, like you note, absolutely delicious. I have two trees in my backyard. (You need two for them to pollinate and bear fruit.) But there are practical reasons why you don't see them for sale very often.

There are a number of active PawPaw breeding programs working to improve the fruit's production, size, and suitability for shipping. Some of the named varieties are even more incredible tasting than the standard wild ones.

Kentucky State:

http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/

http://kysu.edu/academics/cafsss/pawpaw/

http://ppserver.pawpaw.kysu.edu/KSUstory.htm

Purdue:

https://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/nexus/Asimina_triloba_ne...

(I grew up around the trees and my father now grows and sells Pawpaw trees commercially.)

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