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Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#71
post #41

Here's the plan. We form a large enough mob of people who are dressed to look exactly like Assange (wigs and all), then he can just run into the mob and disperse, make contact with sympathizers, and flee to a less oppressive country.

Isn't that basically what they did in Atomic Blonde with the crowd and the umbrellas?

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#72
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You fully support a propaganda agency?

Most of what comes out of US mainstream media is propaganda. I support alternate sources in conjunction with those. What I don't support is getting all your info from a single narrative. Edit: there are obviously a lot of brainwashed people or actual agents in this thread doing some unfair downvoting.

> there are obviously a lot of brainwashed people or actual agents in this thread doing some unfair downvoting

Know your audience. The only acceptable stance on HN is rabid and unsubstantiated Russiaphobia. Either don't comment or find a different community, on this topic.

You're permitted to have an opinion on typesafe languages, tabs vs spaces, etc. Dissent from CIA or GCHQ talking points? Not so much.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#73
post #12

How ... convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia. And, of course, Mr Assange had his show on RT (Russia Today). No way he is a Russian agent. No way.

Given this statement, it is important to remind people not to fall into an appeal to motive. It is important to bring into question the motives for presenting information, but not to dismiss it as false due to such a motive being present.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#74
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intent doesn't matter. It's information. Judge it on evidence and truth and take it or leave it. No amount of twisted logic will make intent relevant.

Intent is how we judge the veracity of the information and whether it's slanted or not. I could tell you that Argentina sank a Chinese fishing vessel. Or I could tell you that Argentina sank a Chinese fishing vessel that was fishing in Argentine territorial waters. Both are true statements. One of them is incomplete and can lead you to judging the event differently. And unfortunately you, like most of us, aren't in a…

Your example is perfect. You can judge the truth value of whether the boat actually went below the water line regardless of who said it. If you make further judgements on other aspects based on the source that's your own mistake and nothing to do with whether the boat actually sank or not.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#75
post #49
post #12

How ... convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia. And, of course, Mr Assange had his show on RT (Russia Today). No way he is a Russian agent. No way.

By the same logic, Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein would be russian agents too.

Max Keiser also must be a Russian agent.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#76

Assange's communications have been cut down due to the overwhelming pressure of the Spanish government into Ecuador. This is clearly explained in the official communication of the Ecuador government : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZY7pY1WkAALgkz.jpg (could not find a better link) The reason is that he was tweeting again in favour of Catalan Republicans, more precisely against the current wave of political prisoners th…

Did you read the article? It includes your image, and says that is not the reason this time. The example you quote was when he was given his first/last warning. This time he was cut because he commented on the UK/Russia poisoning thing.

Well, there may be multiple causes. However I think that the catalan cause is a stronger explanation because

1) the spanish nationalist media is all histerical about this event, thanking Ecuador for its help and solidarity

2) this comes just one day after Assange started re-tweeting again about Catalonia, after several months of radio silence about the subject

3) he has always been commenting about russia, the uk, and many other things.

4) The UK can not effectively cut the connection to Assange, only Ecuador (by threatening to expel him from his embassy).

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#77
post #2

The key bit: > The Ecuadorian government said in statement that it had acted because Assange had breached “a written commitment made to the government at the end of 2017 not to issue messages that might interfere with other states”.

This is clearly a reference to Spain.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll question the information merit of any rotten source. Go ahead and question it. Have you come up with any evidence that it's fabricated?

The concern isn't fabrication. The concern is that the information is being intentionally selectively provided to influence events.

How terrible. They’re telling us the truth at inconvenient times. Disgusting.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From three seconds of googling. Wikileaks releases documents it claims detail Russia mass surveillance apparatus https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/19/wikileaks-releases-documen...

And this link clearly says: > It’s the _first_ time the organization has leaked (what it claims is) material directly pertaining to the Russian state. So... first time for how many years? And as, article points out, the leak itself is rather minor.

That may simply be a function of how little leaks out of Russia. Reasonably closed states that tend to murder their opposition have a bit of an advantage here. If Snowden or Manning had been Russian I would totally expect them to be killed to serve as an example to other potential leakers.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#80
post #12

How ... convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia. And, of course, Mr Assange had his show on RT (Russia Today). No way he is a Russian agent. No way.

You realize that they can only release what is given to them, right?

This criticism only makes sense if they are sitting on a pile of leaked material that is unflattering Russia. There’s no reason to believe that is the case.

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