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Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by XorNot »

roenxi wrote: post #29
pnathan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I doubt that here, on HN, most of us would go so deep with conspiracy, but rational thinking did not lead me to the conclusion that Putin is responsible this time. Putin is given far too much credit. But the Russian wetworks division, under Putin's authority, has its fingerprints all over the Salisbury attack. > shouldn't people like Assange reveal it? Largely Assange has been an anti-liberal democracy apologist fo…

> But the Russian wetworks division, under Putin's authority, has its fingerprints all over the Salisbury attack. There is strong circumstantial evidence, but proof is a slightly different game. It would be nice, for example, to have a clear motive for why Russia might have poisoned the man. According to the wiki article the Russian justice system had sentenced him to 13 years in a penal colony in 2006, and then hand…

An assassination attempt is made with a nerve gas only Russia is known to have been developing and suddenly we should give them the benefit of the doubt? Seriously? After they did the exact same thing already, in the same country, with polonium?

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by gandhium »

robotrout wrote: post #38
sdhgaiojfsa wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would kinda seem to be the point of it.

From three seconds of googling. Wikileaks releases documents it claims detail Russia mass surveillance apparatus https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/19/wikileaks-releases-documen...

And this link clearly says:

> It’s the _first_ time the organization has leaked (what it claims is) material directly pertaining to the Russian state.

So... first time for how many years? And as, article points out, the leak itself is rather minor.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by ows_vs_obama »

chx wrote: post #12

How ... convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia. And, of course, Mr Assange had his show on RT (Russia Today). No way he is a Russian agent. No way.

Please stop with the McCarthyism red-scare nonsense. It's time to admit that all this Russia nonsense serves only to take the spotlight off of Hillary's corrupt campaign. Any Russian election "interference" was negligible compared to Citzen's United (the real source of propaganda) and DNC corruption.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by jacquesm »

CNJ7654 wrote: post #41

Here's the plan. We form a large enough mob of people who are dressed to look exactly like Assange (wigs and all), then he can just run into the mob and disperse, make contact with sympathizers, and flee to a less oppressive country.

I think you'll find it much harder to find enough Assange sympathizers to pull this off than it was a few years ago. He's been working pretty hard to reduce his - and WikiLeaks - image over the last couple of years.

Personally I think that by now he should get it over with and walk out, be arrested, do the time for skipping bail and then he can put his extradition theory to the test. The current political leadership in the USA is about as pro Assange as it is ever going to get.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by enriquto »

Assange's communications have been cut down due to the overwhelming pressure of the Spanish government into Ecuador. This is clearly explained in the official communication of the Ecuador government : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZY7pY1WkAALgkz.jpg (could not find a better link)

The reason is that he was tweeting again in favour of Catalan Republicans, more precisely against the current wave of political prisoners that Spain is taking, including probably the last Catalan elected president, now under custody in Germany.

This is confirmed by Assange himself in his last tweet "I have no right to twit about political prisoners."

The guy is now a hero to many catalans. He will be an honorary citizen of the forthcoming Catalan Republic, and there are already talks of erecting a statue of him in the center of Barcelona!

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Post by jacquesm »

chx wrote: post #12

How ... convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia. And, of course, Mr Assange had his show on RT (Russia Today). No way he is a Russian agent. No way.

No, he definitely wasn't/isn't a Russian agent. You'd have known because then he would have fled to the Russian embassy instead.

Assange basically did what he could to damage the interests of the USA, and probably succeeded wildly beyond his dreams. He's made a whole bunch of stupid calls and he's blown his own credibility and that of WikiLeaks by showing an overt agenda instead of just being a 'dumb pipe'.

Funny though, the one time that he did act as a dumb pipe everybody was screaming blue murder about how irresponsible that was.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by ows_vs_obama »

enriquto wrote: post #65

Assange's communications have been cut down due to the overwhelming pressure of the Spanish government into Ecuador. This is clearly explained in the official communication of the Ecuador government : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZY7pY1WkAALgkz.jpg (could not find a better link) The reason is that he was tweeting again in favour of Catalan Republicans, more precisely against the current wave of political prisoners th…

Pretty sad how quickly governments move to silence speech they disagree with.

Even sadder is how the most accessible channnels of communication (tv, for instance) have become state and corporate mediums for propaganda.

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Post by jacquesm »

antocv wrote: post #37
s2g wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Not nearly enough.

Yes I did get the memo. This is 2018, now Russia takes the place of "axis of evil" Iraq and Taleban. A greater axis of evil. Much feared bear.

No, Russia is looking after its own interests in much the same way that America did for many years. After all, it's not as if the Americans are lily white when it comes to influencing other people's elections, deposing properly elected governments abroad and funding revolutions when it suited their best interests.

So there is a huge amount of hypocrisy there. But that does not excuse Russia for meddling in the affairs of The USA or Europe either.

They're all guilty of this, some more than others.

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

enriquto wrote: post #65

Assange's communications have been cut down due to the overwhelming pressure of the Spanish government into Ecuador. This is clearly explained in the official communication of the Ecuador government : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZY7pY1WkAALgkz.jpg (could not find a better link) The reason is that he was tweeting again in favour of Catalan Republicans, more precisely against the current wave of political prisoners th…

Did you read the article? It includes your image, and says that is not the reason this time. The example you quote was when he was given his first/last warning. This time he was cut because he commented on the UK/Russia poisoning thing.

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Post by jacquesm »

colordrops wrote: post #39
s2g wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You fully support a propaganda agency?

Most of what comes out of US mainstream media is propaganda. I support alternate sources in conjunction with those. What I don't support is getting all your info from a single narrative. Edit: there are obviously a lot of brainwashed people or actual agents in this thread doing some unfair downvoting.

> Most of what comes out of US mainstream media is propaganda.

No, it isn't. There is a lot of pretty good journalism and then there is a bunch of trash. But the balance - for now - is still on the good side. If Rupert Murdoch kicked the bucket it might get a bit better still.

> I support alternate sources in conjunction with those.

Such as?

FOX vs Russia Today is not 'alternate' by any definition.

But if you want to compare the Washington Post with the BBC or Al Jazeera then you might find some balance between those.

> What I don't support is getting all your info from a single narrative.

Agreed, but which narratives you pick still makes a huge difference even when you are trying to discount for bias.

> Edit: there are obviously a lot of brainwashed people or actual agents in this thread doing some unfair downvoting.

Or maybe they just don't subscribe to your views and are letting you know their disagreement by downvoting you.

If you think HN is full of brainwashed people or actual agents because of a couple of downvotes I suspect the problem is on your end.

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