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Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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You may have vegetarian and vegan confused. Milk is vegetarian, but not vegan.

No, I'm not confused I'm being tiresome about it. "I'm a vegetarian, pass the salmon."

A vegetarian diet has never included fish. You’re thinking of pescatarianism.

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No, I'm not confused I'm being tiresome about it. "I'm a vegetarian, pass the salmon."

A vegetarian diet has never included fish. You’re thinking of pescatarianism.

No, we're descriptivists in this thread and plenty of people that are vegetarians eat fish and eggs.

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According to this video [0], it is not something of carbon that the elephant puffs, but a "puffball mushroom". I was very eager to believe in his words when I watched that yesterday. It was because that the day before, I had watched another video [1] of from that channel featuring something really similar that he calls "earth star fungi" this time, at 1:35. Leaving his words aside, it also is much more believable to…

This was my first thought as well. It appears the elephant isn't sucking as much as chewing.

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"Having a vegetarian cat," also known as animal abuse. https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/nutrition-greats/...

Maybe gather some context before making accusations? The cat in question seems to choose a vegetarian diet despite the caretaker giving it non-vegetarian food, and is likely hunting for meat when the caretaker isn't watching.

Yes I read that above. Cats require a diet consisting almost entirely of animal protein and their livers cannot process the toxins in plant foods. This is still abusive behavior. Sorry if it feels bad to realize you have supported this, but you should stop... the science is clear.

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I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species. Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species. Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with b…

I don't believe for a second that there was ever a "vegetarian" cat anywhere on this Earth. Cats simply need to eat meat, period.

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I have a natural b12 deficiency and can’t eat a vegetarian diet right now because of it. At the same time lactose intolerance runs in the family (though I don’t have much of a problem wth it). My doctor ordered me to eat more red meat. The difference in my overall well-being has been exponential over the past two years because of it.

How did you discover you had a deficiency?

Like the other commenter said— it was a blood test. The result was actually low hemoglobin. Low hemo unfortunately runs in the family as well– my mother has a severe case of anemia and suffers a range of issues related to that. Thankfully, I'm nowhere near that case.

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How does a vegan get B12? Synthesis. Synthesized taurine is already added to some pet food. A cursory search shows that small levels of taurine is available from vegan sources. Goat and buffalo milk appear to be the best vegetarian source, but, if ~75mg/day for a cat is correct, neither seem close to significant enough.

I have a natural b12 deficiency and can’t eat a vegetarian diet right now because of it. At the same time lactose intolerance runs in the family (though I don’t have much of a problem wth it). My doctor ordered me to eat more red meat. The difference in my overall well-being has been exponential over the past two years because of it.

I'm in the same boat, I resolved it with Nutritional Yeast.

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A vegetarian diet has never included fish. You’re thinking of pescatarianism.

No, we're descriptivists in this thread and plenty of people that are vegetarians eat fish and eggs.

I think everyone is in agreement about what "vegetarian" means apart from you.

Vegetarians don't eat the flesh of animals, and it's always been like that. Eggs and milk are animal products, not the flesh of animals - so vegetarians can still eat them. Vegans don't eat animal products at all, which rules out eggs and milk. Pescatarians eat fish, but they aren't vegetarians.

So if N is the number of distinct foods you can eat, N(pescatarians) > N(vegetarians) > N(vegans).

Is there anything in particular about this that you find difficult to understand? I can model it as an ontology for you, perhaps?

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