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Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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It's likely it's using the ash or charcoal to self-treat a stomach problem, animals are known to ingest non food substances to clear problems, charcoal, chalk, dogs eat grass when suffering from gastric problems.

Wouldn't the elephants say the same when watching a human smoking? Besides, swallowing charcoal and inhaling charcoal are completely different, I don't know how much good the latter would do for the stomach.

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I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species.

Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species.

Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with balls, while others don't. On YouTube, I follow a cool guy who has a pure vegetarian pet cat getting along with many normal cats.

This particular elephant might have been simply curious about the smoke or might have been playing with it for the heck of it.

They are individual peculiarities and I don't think any conclusion can be drawn about the entire species from them.

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

#23

It's likely it's using the ash or charcoal to self-treat a stomach problem, animals are known to ingest non food substances to clear problems, charcoal, chalk, dogs eat grass when suffering from gastric problems.

Wouldn't the elephants say the same when watching a human smoking? Besides, swallowing charcoal and inhaling charcoal are completely different, I don't know how much good the latter would do for the stomach.

Remember the elephants trunk is it's hand, not just it's nose, it's clearly putting something into its mouth after blowing off the ASH dust. http://www.besthealthmag.ca/best-you/health/stomach-pain-rel...

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species. Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species. Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with b…

...a pure vegetarian pet cat...

How does the cat obtain whatever missing nutrients cause most cats to be obligate carnivores?

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

#25

I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species. Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species. Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with b…

How is the the youtuber making sure the cat still gets stuff like taurine?

I ask because I've always heard that cats are obligate carnivores and cannot live off a vegan/vegetarian diet[1].

[1] https://pets.webmd.com/features/vegetarian-diet-dogs-cats

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

#26

I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species. Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species. Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with b…

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Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

#27

I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species. Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species. Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with b…

...a pure vegetarian pet cat... How does the cat obtain whatever missing nutrients cause most cats to be obligate carnivores?

Probably eats mice/birds/etc. or the food of other cats when the owner isn't looking.

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

#28

I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species. Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species. Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with b…

...a pure vegetarian pet cat... How does the cat obtain whatever missing nutrients cause most cats to be obligate carnivores?

It seems plausible that those nutrients might be found in certain plants, and could be identified and concentrated. I wouldn't risk it with my cats, but plenty of people do feed their cats veggie kibble and I haven't heard of them dying of malnutrition in droves.

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

#29

I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species. Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species. Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with b…

...a pure vegetarian pet cat... How does the cat obtain whatever missing nutrients cause most cats to be obligate carnivores?

I'm not sure actually. In many videos, he offers it things like fish and chicken and wet cat food but that cat doesn't touch them. It does eat some dry kibbles - maybe that's enough? Now that I think about it, calling it "pure vegetarian" was my mistake because it does eat those kibbles which probably contain non-vegetarian nutrients.

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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I think some are too eager to project human vice and behavior onto an animal. It makes for a good story and we’re willing to delude ourselves, even professional observers. The article even used the word “puffing” and “smoking”—there was neither. It was clearly blowing the dust out before ingesting the bituminous material. If it had been liquid it was blowing away we’d read that it was having a swig and a swill of spi…

I think you’ve identified the smoking elephant in the room.
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