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Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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If animal milk is vegetarian then it doesn't mean anything.

Typically, "vegetarian" means eating no meat, though animal products that do not harm the animal, such as milk or honey, are allowed. You're thinking of "vegan", which forbids the use of any animal products.

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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I think some are too eager to project human vice and behavior onto an animal. It makes for a good story and we’re willing to delude ourselves, even professional observers. The article even used the word “puffing” and “smoking”—there was neither. It was clearly blowing the dust out before ingesting the bituminous material. If it had been liquid it was blowing away we’d read that it was having a swig and a swill of spi…

Link bait was bait?

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post #70

If animal milk is vegetarian then it doesn't mean anything.

You may have vegetarian and vegan confused. Milk is vegetarian, but not vegan.

No, I'm not confused I'm being tiresome about it.

"I'm a vegetarian, pass the salmon."

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According to this video [0], it is not something of carbon that the elephant puffs, but a "puffball mushroom". I was very eager to believe in his words when I watched that yesterday. It was because that the day before, I had watched another video [1] of from that channel featuring something really similar that he calls "earth star fungi" this time, at 1:35. Leaving his words aside, it also is much more believable to…

Based on the amount of dust when the human hand pinches the puffball, the elephant would require a /huge/ puffball mushroom to produce that much dust (ash).

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

#75

If animal milk is vegetarian then it doesn't mean anything.

Typically, "vegetarian" means eating no meat, though animal products that do not harm the animal, such as milk or honey, are allowed. You're thinking of "vegan", which forbids the use of any animal products.

Yes I know what vegan means.

But in the context of a "vegetarian cat", animal milk is not vegetarian.

You could also be a (plant only) vegetarian and not a vegan if you, say, didn't eat any animal product but loved leather boots. So there is something to be said for the word meaning what it sounds like.

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...a pure vegetarian pet cat... How does the cat obtain whatever missing nutrients cause most cats to be obligate carnivores?

I've been told that the cats of a great-grandparent were only fed pastas... I've always wondered how they could survive on that! But I suspect that since those cats lived mostly outside, they probably ate many other things, including small animals they caught in gardens, sheds, etc.

Can confirm, in rural southern Europe cats were (and still are were I live ATM) fed scraps and leftovers (if any); if they don't like that the fields outside are an excellent training ground for their primal instincts

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I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species. Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species. Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with b…

> vegetarian cat Aka animal abuse

If you read comments you'll notice the cat is one of a group of non vegetarians, and is offered alternatives which it refused. On top of that the cat might also catch mice, lizards or birds while the owner is away.

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typically, "vegetarian" means eating no meat, though animal products that do not harm the animal, such as milk or honey, are allowed. You're thinking of "vegan", which forbids the use of any animal products.

Yes I know what vegan means. But in the context of a "vegetarian cat", animal milk is not vegetarian. You could also be a (plant only) vegetarian and not a vegan if you, say, didn't eat any animal product but loved leather boots. So there is something to be said for the word meaning what it sounds like.

So there is something to be said for the word meaning what it sounds like.

Ideally yes, but English doesn't work that way. I dont know about other languages, but I suspect any natural language will eventually develop these types of inconsistencies.

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#79

I don't see much value in trying to use logical speculation to generalize such behaviors to an entire species. Anybody who has observed animals and pets will have noticed how each and every animal has its own personality, likes, dislikes and peculiarities. Just like people, who, despite our airs, are just another species. Some of my pets eat people food which my other pets don't even look at. Some of them play with b…

"Having a vegetarian cat," also known as animal abuse. https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/nutrition-greats/...

Maybe gather some context before making accusations?

The cat in question seems to choose a vegetarian diet despite the caretaker giving it non-vegetarian food, and is likely hunting for meat when the caretaker isn't watching.

Re: Elephant 'smoking' footage baffles experts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typically, "vegetarian" means eating no meat, though animal products that do not harm the animal, such as milk or honey, are allowed. You're thinking of "vegan", which forbids the use of any animal products.

Yes I know what vegan means. But in the context of a "vegetarian cat", animal milk is not vegetarian. You could also be a (plant only) vegetarian and not a vegan if you, say, didn't eat any animal product but loved leather boots. So there is something to be said for the word meaning what it sounds like.

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