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Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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You have to give Apple credit that they showed some restraint and didn't just add all the features to their new file system that they found in a table on some Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_fil...

It's a good thing too. I wouldn't want a file system to implement the "Murders your wife" feature.

I spotted that in the table. What the heck is that?

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At some point, certain things ought to add up to become a firing offense. I don't feel confident that Apple is going to get things much better without drastic changes right from the top. If anyone at Apple senior management is reading this, please do a shakeup and a rethink. It's badly needed for the software you have been producing.

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Just curious, could Apple actually ditch Darwin and use linux as their kernel? I'm not sure how the licensing works in regard to their proprietary stuff that may have to touch the kernel. It seems that if they aren't going to invest the money on MacOS dev teams, this may help them out by not having to do as much kernel dev stuff.

Darwin is a custom mash of BSD, not linux. You could use a BSD kernel, but you would have to customize it a lot for device and feature support... which is how we got the Darwin kernel in the first place. They're already including some modern BSD projects.

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You don't even need to look at security vulnerabilities to wonder what happened to macOS development at Apple. My wife recently bought a mighty mouse. It worked for a few days, but then macOS would fail to associate with it via Bluetooth unless it's plugged in via the lightning cable, in which case it's unusable, the connector being on the side that normally sits on the table. Anyways, after a quick Google, I found a…

Or this awesome issue on any of the newer MacBook Pro laptops, if you plug or unplug any USB devices while the system is either going into or recovering from sleep mode (I.E. after you've closed the lid, but before you see the login screen again after opening it), it will randomly kernel panic. I spent almost a month trying to figure out why I would randomly get a kernel panic in the morning since my evening routine…

Thank you so much! Now I know why half the time after a meeting when I connect my laptop again it'll simply hang then shutdown. (I didn't see the panic since it's clamshelled)

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What exactly happened to macOS development at Apple? There's always bad luck but Apple has had multiple very visible and very serious vulnerabilities over the last few quarters. They've made multiple grave errors with encrypted volumes. I don't think Microsoft with Bitlocker or Linux with dm-crypt has ever made mistakes as bad as Apple has made here and multiple other times. Forget the stability issues, a lot of the…

Didn't Apple essentially get rid of their MacOS team by taking them off it full time and putting them into the iOS team? (So they essentially had to apply their time between the 2).

Actually it was almost the opposite. In this case I think you are remembering the events of one release where Apple had to delay an iOS release and pull more resources to get it thought. A couple minutes of searching has not found it for me.

But in general the motion has been in the opposite direction. In the beginning iOS was its own project, and had a dedicated staff that took from MacOS (both staff and code) and did their own things with them. Once iOS was successful they decided to merge the parts that made sense to merge, and did so back into the MacOS teams.

So there are a lot of teams that are shared between MacOS and iOS projects, and a long-term goal of merging as much of the codebase into one as makes sense (to Apple). An example of this is APFS, which was partially written to resolve the differences that had grown between the MacOS and iOS versions of HFS+.

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That doesn't mean anything other than "it's new which is somehow better."

It implies the design isn’t compromised by decisions that only made sense 25 years ago. For instance originally HFS didn’t even have journalling, it’s bolted on and not integrated.

It looks like the replacement has been compromised by other things however

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I am still on Sierra and a few weeks ago found a fix for a problem that Apple introduced apparently in "good faith". I had been wondering for a while why my mid-2015 maxed out Macbook Pro Retina didn't perform well when doing programming in XCode etc. So finally on a weekend I decided to find out the problem, and saw that "kerneltask" is using 500% CPU ... Apparently, Apple has programmed kerneltask to grab available…

Why is the kernel even playing such a stupid game to "manage" temperature? I would have though Intel temperature management was idiotproof in the "You literally don't even have to touch it" way.

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It's a good thing too. I wouldn't want a file system to implement the "Murders your wife" feature.

I spotted that in the table. What the heck is that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Nina_Reiser's_disa...

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> new FS [...] in record time That's an odd brag. I might be from a bygone era but it used to be the case that filesystems were particularly conservative and rollouts equally so. Getting one deployed in "record time" is hardly difficult because everyone else is so conservative it can take tens of years in some cases. Look at Microsoft's ReFS, available in Server 2012, 2012 R2, Windows 8.1, Server 2016 and Windows 10…

> I like my filesystems like I like my Toyota, reliable. Not sure if you're deliberately joking or not, but the quality of software in Toyota cars is hilariously awful. There was a stunning writeup by one of the people who got source code to investigate the unintended acceleration issue a few years back. [1] IIRC, as part of the cruise control, if they decided the car was going too slow it'd be given a command to acc…

Very Interesting. Thanks!

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Confirm. El Capitan is the last good and stable version.

Does 10.11 still get security and reliability updates? As for 10.13. If an OS changes filesystem, its often recommended to wait (same with in the past e.g. FAT32 -> NTFS, Ext2FS -> Ext3FS, Ext3FS -> Ext4FS although IMO the latter two went flawless for me ). The reason I went for it -even though benchmarks of encryption + APFS specifically were abysmal compared to encryption + HFS+ whereas no encryption + APFS or no e…

> Does 10.11 still get security [...] updates?

Yes.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208465

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