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Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by Fnoord »

rurban wrote: post #75
lloeki wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems quite a lot of people around here have a thing for El Capitan. Coincidentally this is the last one called "OS X".

Confirm. El Capitan is the last good and stable version.

Does 10.11 still get security and reliability updates?

As for 10.13. If an OS changes filesystem, its often recommended to wait (same with in the past e.g. FAT32 -> NTFS, Ext2FS -> Ext3FS, Ext3FS -> Ext4FS although IMO the latter two went flawless for me).

The reason I went for it -even though benchmarks of encryption + APFS specifically were abysmal compared to encryption + HFS+ whereas no encryption + APFS or no encryption + HFS+ were acceptable differences)- is because it was already tested on iOS.

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

MertsA wrote: post #58

What exactly happened to macOS development at Apple? There's always bad luck but Apple has had multiple very visible and very serious vulnerabilities over the last few quarters. They've made multiple grave errors with encrypted volumes. I don't think Microsoft with Bitlocker or Linux with dm-crypt has ever made mistakes as bad as Apple has made here and multiple other times. Forget the stability issues, a lot of the…

It seems there's nobody with the clout at Apple to be able to say, "No, it's not good enough."

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by orclev »

glandium wrote: post #73
MertsA wrote: post #58

What exactly happened to macOS development at Apple? There's always bad luck but Apple has had multiple very visible and very serious vulnerabilities over the last few quarters. They've made multiple grave errors with encrypted volumes. I don't think Microsoft with Bitlocker or Linux with dm-crypt has ever made mistakes as bad as Apple has made here and multiple other times. Forget the stability issues, a lot of the…

You don't even need to look at security vulnerabilities to wonder what happened to macOS development at Apple. My wife recently bought a mighty mouse. It worked for a few days, but then macOS would fail to associate with it via Bluetooth unless it's plugged in via the lightning cable, in which case it's unusable, the connector being on the side that normally sits on the table. Anyways, after a quick Google, I found a…

Or this awesome issue on any of the newer MacBook Pro laptops, if you plug or unplug any USB devices while the system is either going into or recovering from sleep mode (I.E. after you've closed the lid, but before you see the login screen again after opening it), it will randomly kernel panic. I spent almost a month trying to figure out why I would randomly get a kernel panic in the morning since my evening routine was to close the lid, disconnect my keyboard/mouse/monitor, and then in the morning do the exact opposite (plugin keyboard/mouse/monitor, open lid). Once I read about the issues with USB devices and sleep mode I changed my routine to first open the lid, wait for the login screen to show up then plugin all the USB devices. Since I made that change I haven't seen a single kernel panic.

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by auggierose »

I am still on Sierra and a few weeks ago found a fix for a problem that Apple introduced apparently in "good faith". I had been wondering for a while why my mid-2015 maxed out Macbook Pro Retina didn't perform well when doing programming in XCode etc. So finally on a weekend I decided to find out the problem, and saw that "kerneltask" is using 500% CPU ...

Apparently, Apple has programmed kerneltask to grab available CPU resources when it determines that the CPU might overheat due to other tasks stressing the CPU too much. In my case though, there was no danger of overheating (running somewhere between 55 and 60 degrees), but kerneltask just reacted to my 4K monitor being plugged in in addition to me using the internal laptop retina display. As soon as I would unplug the monitor, kerneltask would release CPU resources and go back to So basically, shitty programming on Apple's part had rendered my laptop unusable for quite a while.

Luckily, I found this article which worked in my case also: https://www.davidschlachter.com/misc/kernel_task

My laptop is now a joy to use again, but I can't believe that something like this remains unfixed for so long. I've seen many people on message boards running High Sierra with the same problem, so this just doesn't seem to get fixed.

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Post by Volt »

BuildTheRobots wrote: post #89
Someone1234 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> new FS [...] in record time That's an odd brag. I might be from a bygone era but it used to be the case that filesystems were particularly conservative and rollouts equally so. Getting one deployed in "record time" is hardly difficult because everyone else is so conservative it can take tens of years in some cases. Look at Microsoft's ReFS, available in Server 2012, 2012 R2, Windows 8.1, Server 2016 and Windows 10…

> I like my filesystems like I like my Toyota, reliable. Not sure if you're deliberately joking or not, but the quality of software in Toyota cars is hilariously awful. There was a stunning writeup by one of the people who got source code to investigate the unintended acceleration issue a few years back. [1] IIRC, as part of the cruise control, if they decided the car was going too slow it'd be given a command to acc…

This is missing the point. He/she isn't talking about the software.

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by 27182818284 »

BuildTheRobots wrote: post #89
Someone1234 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> new FS [...] in record time That's an odd brag. I might be from a bygone era but it used to be the case that filesystems were particularly conservative and rollouts equally so. Getting one deployed in "record time" is hardly difficult because everyone else is so conservative it can take tens of years in some cases. Look at Microsoft's ReFS, available in Server 2012, 2012 R2, Windows 8.1, Server 2016 and Windows 10…

> I like my filesystems like I like my Toyota, reliable. Not sure if you're deliberately joking or not, but the quality of software in Toyota cars is hilariously awful. There was a stunning writeup by one of the people who got source code to investigate the unintended acceleration issue a few years back. [1] IIRC, as part of the cruise control, if they decided the car was going too slow it'd be given a command to acc…

There is an old car-vs-computer joke about this I'm going to butcher, but I think it is more in line with what the parent meant:

Computer Engineer: If cars advanced as fast as computers, they'd go mach 1 and get thousands of miles to the gallon by now!

Car Engineer: If cars progressed like computers they'd inexplicably die on you and you'd have to uninstall and reinstall your tires to get it to drive again

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Post by [deleted] »

chrisfinazzo wrote: post #97
FridgeSeal wrote: post #65

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Didn't Apple essentially get rid of their MacOS team by taking them off it full time and putting them into the iOS team? (So they essentially had to apply their time between the 2).

So much this. Teams are probably smaller than we realize, and the really great people get shuffled around. Got to pay off that debt one of these days, but 'not today' I guess...

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Post by braderhart »

[deleted] wrote: post #107
chrisfinazzo wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much this. Teams are probably smaller than we realize, and the really great people get shuffled around. Got to pay off that debt one of these days, but 'not today' I guess...

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But they care about "equality"

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Post by braderhart »

untog wrote: post #32
coldtea wrote: post #22

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Yeah, they just deployed a whole new FS to 100s of millions of users, in record time, with almost zero incidents. Hardly any new features...

What new features do users gain from the new file system?

You get your password leaked in this release!

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Post by vondur »

Just curious, could Apple actually ditch Darwin and use linux as their kernel? I'm not sure how the licensing works in regard to their proprietary stuff that may have to touch the kernel. It seems that if they aren't going to invest the money on MacOS dev teams, this may help them out by not having to do as much kernel dev stuff.
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