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I don't actually know what a self driving car should run on, I would want to make it in Erlang or Rust but - what do you think a self driving car should be running on?
For real-time embedded there are basically 3 options, C, C++ and Rust. And Rust isn't that widely used, so my guess would be on C/C++. You can't have a GC.
Saying nothing about Google/Waymo, it appears they're allowed to continue? Their self-driving technology seems far more advanced, I think it would be unfair to punish all the players for the bad actions of a few. In particular, Uber seems to have been operating self-driving cars recklessly and in an attempt to "move fast and break things". When those things are people's lives, that's unacceptable. I'm all for interes…
> bad actions of a few What bad actions? If you mean an AI car killing a person - that's hardly "an action", that's an accident. Classic human-driven cars kill people every day yet are allowed to continue operation. Do people really expect self-driving cars to be not just more safe than classic but actually 100% safe? By the way I myself don't drive at all and only use public transport (and a bicycle to ride the coun…
I can't drive a car because of my bad eyes so it makes sense that when we see that blind cars( or with blind spots) drive on roads we don't like it.
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I actually trust the waymo cars more than regular ones now when I'm on my bicycle or motorcycle. Granted they are absurdly "cautious drivers" and can be mildly annoying to be stuck behind in a car.
This strikes me as a risk factor that no one is really discussing. We talk about the dangers of Level 3/4 autonomy, where the driver is still responsible for the car, but autopilot is doing most of the work, leading to a bored/disengaged driver who's not ready to react when it's actually necessary. We don't hear as much pedestrians taking it for granted that a car will stop for them, right of way or no, because of th…
In all seriousness, what you're describing happens on college campuses across the country today, where students are conditioned to drivers yielding right of way.
Saying nothing about Google/Waymo, it appears they're allowed to continue? Their self-driving technology seems far more advanced, I think it would be unfair to punish all the players for the bad actions of a few. In particular, Uber seems to have been operating self-driving cars recklessly and in an attempt to "move fast and break things". When those things are people's lives, that's unacceptable. I'm all for interes…
There was a person at the wheel. That person wasn't paying full attention to the road. From the video of the crash, it looks like the woman at the wheel was looking at their phone. Why is no one acknowledging that this woman was responsible for taking over the wheel if necessary for any reason. When I have cruise control on, I take my feet off of the pedals and rest them on the floor. But if, say, a homeless person w…
I'm guessing, because a lot of people wear black clothes and self-driving cars must be able to deal with that, too. If safety-critical systems can't react to a common real-world situation then they 're just not safe enough to operate in the real world.
You might as well ask what was this woman doing crossing a road at night where even human drivers have reduced visibility. Well- people might cross roads at any time of day (legal issues aside- jaywalking is a very US-centric thing btw). Roads and cars must be designed so as to be safe under this assumption and drivers must be trained enough to deal with the situation.
What is the alternative? Make everyone wear high-visibility vests, or carry special self-driving car beacons when they go outside? I've actually heard both of those ideas since Elen Herzberg was killed and they're both on the near side of the absurd (so I'm sure someone will come up with something even more out there).
But, if tech that is supposed to make our lives easier is too dangerous, the answer is not to make our lives harder to accommodate it. That would defeate the purpose of the technology in the first place.
Amen. Uber's fatal accident rate is now 50x that of sober human driver's. At their current rate of driving, they can't have a _lower_ rate until 2028! Inexcusable failure of their technology to prevent a human death in the most basic collision avoidance scenario.
Before the accident they were infinitely better than a sober human driver. Understand statistics before employing them please. We don't have enough data and a single data point doesn't change that.
Similar if you drive 1 million km and kill 1 person, if I drive 10 km and kill 1 person is still 1 data point and I can make no conclusion? I think it would have been 1 data point if this was the first km a Uber self driving car has driven.
Saying nothing about Google/Waymo, it appears they're allowed to continue? Their self-driving technology seems far more advanced, I think it would be unfair to punish all the players for the bad actions of a few. In particular, Uber seems to have been operating self-driving cars recklessly and in an attempt to "move fast and break things". When those things are people's lives, that's unacceptable. I'm all for interes…
Actually, it may be an instance of a "tragedy of the commons" but I think the most strategically optimal move for a state when there are 49 others is to ban it and let "sucker" states do the testing, and then immediately legalize it as soon as it shows promise. Just like how I never upgrade to a new software version right away, letting the other "suckers" test it in production for me, creating value for me at their e…
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There was a person at the wheel. That person wasn't paying full attention to the road. From the video of the crash, it looks like the woman at the wheel was looking at their phone. Why is no one acknowledging that this woman was responsible for taking over the wheel if necessary for any reason. When I have cruise control on, I take my feet off of the pedals and rest them on the floor. But if, say, a homeless person w…
What is the significance of the person being homeless?
If you're the kind of person who thinks homeless people are useless garbage that deserves to be run over, you'll think the article is pointing this out to inform you that what happened was not a big deal and the person walking out in front of the car was at fault.
If you're the kind of person who considers homelesness an affront to the dignity of human societies that tolerate it, you'll think that the article is pointing out the tragic angle of a woman already suffering from exclusion and poverty being run over by the malfunction of an extremely expensive piece of equipment that should be recalled at once.
If you're somewhere in between, you'll still gravitate towards one of the extremes. In any case, mentioning that Elen Herzberg was homeless is only there as an appeal to emotion.
By the way- Elen Herzberg's friends and family have said she was not homeless. I recall, I think, a stepdaughter, saying that she had "issues with homelessness" but had recently turned her life around and was starting a new job.
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This whole thing was started by a DARPA grand challenge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge Industry takes the lead after DARPA's investment which makes sense.
The urban challenge could very well be the best thing to ever come out of DARPA. Riding in the OshKosh truck going around some actual roads in rough conditions is when autonomous cars became "real" to me. In relatively little time they had it going down roads in the woods and driving at high speeds within a few feet of a fence. Now that truck seems clunky and primitive in comparison even just against what Tesla is do…
Saying nothing about Google/Waymo, it appears they're allowed to continue? Their self-driving technology seems far more advanced, I think it would be unfair to punish all the players for the bad actions of a few. In particular, Uber seems to have been operating self-driving cars recklessly and in an attempt to "move fast and break things". When those things are people's lives, that's unacceptable. I'm all for interes…
Arizona did something reckless and stupid. Unfortunately, somebody other than the decision maker paid the price. Arizona stupidly allowed Uber to operate after California kicked Uber out and after seeing the videos of Uber cars running red lights in SF. For what? For a few temporary (the plan is to be fully autonomous quickly) low paying test driver jobs? The engineers making the big salaries stayed in California (or…
Well, crossing the street in that manner wasn't the smartest thing to do either. The person shouldn't have been run over, but we accept some risks while walking bicycles across multi-lane highways at night without watching for oncoming traffic.
Saying nothing about Google/Waymo, it appears they're allowed to continue? Their self-driving technology seems far more advanced, I think it would be unfair to punish all the players for the bad actions of a few. In particular, Uber seems to have been operating self-driving cars recklessly and in an attempt to "move fast and break things". When those things are people's lives, that's unacceptable. I'm all for interes…
There was a person at the wheel. That person wasn't paying full attention to the road. From the video of the crash, it looks like the woman at the wheel was looking at their phone. Why is no one acknowledging that this woman was responsible for taking over the wheel if necessary for any reason. When I have cruise control on, I take my feet off of the pedals and rest them on the floor. But if, say, a homeless person w…
First off, Waymo, Ford, and even Volvo (whose car was in the accident) have said that they want to skip Level 3 because expecting people to actually watch the road while they're "self-driven" is not reasonable. They saw from initial testing that the drivers were dosing off.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-17/ford-s-do...
And I didn't know this until now, but it looks like Toyota is now thinking the same:
http://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-might-skip-level-3-aut...
Second, if they were to at least attempt to do it right (like Tesla is doing now, but didn't do in the beginning either) is to force drivers to keep their hands on the wheel at all times.
Also, Uber could have been watching its drivers with the cameras, and fired those that didn't stick with the program.
And all of this doesn't even mention how Uber's self-driving system seems to be terrible. Lidar wasn't working, the car didn't brake, and they've had one intervention per 13 miles while Waymo has one per 5600 miles.
So, my point is, Uber, the company, still seems to share most of the blame here, for all of those different reasons.