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Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by chme »

digiwise wrote: post #148
bjelkeman-again wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It becomes a mess to track where you are logged into what. And cross domain tracking.

2 accounts can take care of this. You can have one account for life related things and another one specific for Logins. I personally don't care. As I have nothing to hide and I trust most of the businesses providing federated logins. Also, makes life a lot easier. Not only as a developer, but as a user.

> I personally don't care. As I have nothing to hide and I trust most of the businesses providing federated logins.

Sorry, but every time someone says the phrase "I have nothing to hide" I have to roll my eyes at them. How is that 'argument' in times of the recent facebook scandal still a thing?

I know that most people live under a rock, because changing habits is damn difficult and its much easier to make up arguments to support one-selves behaviour than to question and change it, but really these people should start waking up soon.

It seems they are led to the corporate social media butchery where their personality and individuality is taken piece by piece and soled to the highest bidder.

How much has to be taken from you before you recognize that you can be remote controlled by the organizations with power and money?

And will you even have still the will to recognize that and try to change it or will you sedate yourself with the argument that you can trust big brother to watch over you, because he knows best and its so convenient not having to make changes or decisions anymore.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by nsgi »

sdwisely wrote: post #138
Spooky23 wrote: post #132

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One nuance is whether you offer one or multiple channels. I prefer email registration, but will consider Google or Microsoft logins. I will not under any circumstances use Facebook or Twitter login.

I'm the same, if email registration isn't available I'll first greatly reconsider how much I'm interested in what you're offering. If I'm VERY interested I'll consider google or github or something, no matter how interested I am I'll never use facebook or twitter etc.

I can understand being against Facebook login but why not Twitter? Don't think it's a particularly shady company as far as I'm aware, and you don't have to give the app access to tweet on your behalf.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by chiefalchemist »

jasonthevillain wrote: post #71
chiefalchemist wrote: post #61

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I think you just made a case for DuckDuckGo or (e.g.) LastPass to provided an authentication servive. Mind you, products would have to adopt it. But from a sec + privacy perspective it makes sense to have a 3rd party whose biz model isn't to harvest your personal details.

Mozilla Persona tried this. It was a good user experience, but it never gained enough traction and eventually they shut it down.

Maybe it could be different now? Or maybe it's not a solo effort? If multiple companies leveraged their traction (read: user base) maybe it could work.

God knows we need something. It's not safe "outside."

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by nkkollaw »

hellofunk wrote: post #150
nkkollaw wrote: post #107

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I'm not convinced. For the site owner, they can even more easily pick social login. As for safety, it's just as hard for a hacker to guess my email password then my website password, what is the difference? Not to mention that if my phone is around you might be able to see the URL from the lock screen, and if God forbid my phone (or even laptop, but it never happens) is unlocked my email client is accessible at all t…

But if someone can access your email, they can already reset your password anyway. So email is the Golden Gate to your services in general, regardless of whether you use this approach. And the URLs that are sent out would not just be simple things that you could look at and remember and then go type them into some other computer. It comes down to ultimate safety for users and development time for vendors. I personall…

Whatever man, I think it sucks.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by monk_e_boy »

detaro wrote: post #112
monk_e_boy wrote: post #110

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I was like you, until I looked at my unique login/pwd combinations.... there were so so many. I can't remember them all, i switch computers (I'm a teacher) a lot. Logins are so stupid, I've been able to look at my laptop to unlock it for years, touch my phone to unlock it.... login and passwords are going so i don't mind using google to log in for a few years while the rest of the world catches up. For students googl…

> For students google log in is essential. Having to create an account, then click a link in an email, then use a site is too hard. Where the hell do you teach comp-sci?!

Have you ever taught a class of 35? About 5 of them can't even log into a computer - forgotten passwords, broken mouse, a locked computer that needs a reboot.

What email have they entered? School or personal? Or their apple email?

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by monk_e_boy »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #128
monk_e_boy wrote: post #110

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I was like you, until I looked at my unique login/pwd combinations.... there were so so many. I can't remember them all, i switch computers (I'm a teacher) a lot. Logins are so stupid, I've been able to look at my laptop to unlock it for years, touch my phone to unlock it.... login and passwords are going so i don't mind using google to log in for a few years while the rest of the world catches up. For students googl…

>For students google log in is essential. Having to create an account, then click a link in an email, then use a site is too hard. A truly withering indictment on these students. When even the simplest, most straightforward of tasks is "too hard" for students, the future is very bleak. >So 99% of comp sci teachers are choosing sites with social logins. An equally withering indictment of Computer Science teachers. I w…

ha! I thought like you, then I became a teacher.

Stuff like logins are so inconsequential compared to the rest of the lesson.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by monk_e_boy »

f2n wrote: post #113
monk_e_boy wrote: post #110

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I was like you, until I looked at my unique login/pwd combinations.... there were so so many. I can't remember them all, i switch computers (I'm a teacher) a lot. Logins are so stupid, I've been able to look at my laptop to unlock it for years, touch my phone to unlock it.... login and passwords are going so i don't mind using google to log in for a few years while the rest of the world catches up. For students googl…

>I can't remember them all I can't remember most of my passwords, if I could that would be a serious security issue. Password managers are a must in this day and age.

So you turn up at a new school, they give you a temporary user name, password. You use this to get into the PC, then you use another teachers password to get into google classroom to read the lesson plan. Then I use my own to get into my work email, then my personal one to get into messenger to talk to my child care dude.

A password manager is just another point of friction.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by Moru »

throwaway47853 wrote: post #146
Moru wrote: post #139

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Google requires a phone number nowadays. And you can't use the same phonenumber more than X times. (Not sure what X is but I hit it last week so had to go on the second phone)

No it doesn't (at least on the desktop version of the site). You can leave the phone number field blank on the 'Create your Google Account' form. For 2 factor authentication you do need it.

Yes it does, you can't get past the second stage. "Please enter a phone number". I'm sure this is different on some things, mabe number of emails created per IP or what country you live in. Google is a big entity, they can afford to treat some areas differently.

> Verify your phone number

> For your security, Google wants to make sure it’s really you. Google will send a text message with a 6-digit verification code. Standard rates apply

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by paulcole »

devgutt wrote: post #120
jfaucett wrote: post #111

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> 'jfaucett probably is fine sacrificing losing this small minority. precisely. In my experience, this small minority can actually be subdivided broadly into two groups: those with very high data privacy concerns and scammers/spammers. It turns out that in my experience, the high level data privacy concern people have been the vastly smaller of the two groups, so at the end of the day you are sacrificing a tiny fract…

Although I don't disagree, I suspect you are driving away a very interesting group of technically literate, even being small.

This could easily be seen as a feature and not a bug.
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