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Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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I am unlikely to use your site if it requires me to use a Google or Facebook login. Those companies already have too much power to fuck my life up, I have no interest in giving them any more.

While I'm sympathetic to your viewpoint and to a large degree share it, you are among a vanishingly small minority to not use a site or service just because of social login. 'jfaucett probably is fine sacrificing losing this small minority.

> 'jfaucett probably is fine sacrificing losing this small minority.

precisely. In my experience, this small minority can actually be subdivided broadly into two groups: those with very high data privacy concerns and scammers/spammers. It turns out that in my experience, the high level data privacy concern people have been the vastly smaller of the two groups, so at the end of the day you are sacrificing a tiny fraction of a fraction of potential users while simultaneously removing tons of scammers from your platform. Admittedly, the ratios probably vary depending on the particulars of your pricing models and potential scam vectors that can be applied to your software, also other factors such as local attitudes toward data privacy (my experience has been in the EU). You can also increase sign-ups by a large portion of the data privacy people by simply doing a lot of things to make your services legit i.e. have domain names registered to the real business or contact person, force https, have a high level overview of your terms and services that clearly and succinctly states how you use users data, have a verified https certificate, etc. But in general "social login only" has been so much better for me than mixed or only email logins I really would not want to go back to the alternatives.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am unlikely to use your site if it requires me to use a Google or Facebook login. Those companies already have too much power to fuck my life up, I have no interest in giving them any more.

I was like you, until I looked at my unique login/pwd combinations.... there were so so many. I can't remember them all, i switch computers (I'm a teacher) a lot. Logins are so stupid, I've been able to look at my laptop to unlock it for years, touch my phone to unlock it.... login and passwords are going so i don't mind using google to log in for a few years while the rest of the world catches up. For students googl…

> For students google log in is essential. Having to create an account, then click a link in an email, then use a site is too hard.

Where the hell do you teach comp-sci?!

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am unlikely to use your site if it requires me to use a Google or Facebook login. Those companies already have too much power to fuck my life up, I have no interest in giving them any more.

I was like you, until I looked at my unique login/pwd combinations.... there were so so many. I can't remember them all, i switch computers (I'm a teacher) a lot. Logins are so stupid, I've been able to look at my laptop to unlock it for years, touch my phone to unlock it.... login and passwords are going so i don't mind using google to log in for a few years while the rest of the world catches up. For students googl…

>I can't remember them all

I can't remember most of my passwords, if I could that would be a serious security issue. Password managers are a must in this day and age.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am unlikely to use your site if it requires me to use a Google or Facebook login. Those companies already have too much power to fuck my life up, I have no interest in giving them any more.

I was like you, until I looked at my unique login/pwd combinations.... there were so so many. I can't remember them all, i switch computers (I'm a teacher) a lot. Logins are so stupid, I've been able to look at my laptop to unlock it for years, touch my phone to unlock it.... login and passwords are going so i don't mind using google to log in for a few years while the rest of the world catches up. For students googl…

Use a password manager! Here's an article to get you set up:

https://leclan.ch/password-managers/

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Citizensgbr.org:

Email 50% Facebook 35% Google 15%

Our email setup is a passwordless/magic-link implementation built on top of Firebase's email login, similar to Medium and others. We get a significant amount of grief about it, mainly due to emails being delayed or ending up in spam/routed folders. But also due to the links sometimes opening in a different browser to the one currently in use. There is no plan to allow users to set their own password.

We generally suggest using social login when there is a problem with email but we have a lot of push back. In our experience people using email do not trust social login, based on what they think we are getting access to, and what we might do with the data. [To be clear we collect the absolute minimum data required for social login, (email address, name, Id, avatar url) and use it only to create the account/authenticate the user]

We are considering trialling mobile phone auth in the not so distant future.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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For my little side project I’m using email only. Tangentially related, I quite like Medium’s workflow where you don’t need to enter passwords anymore. You just enter your address, they send a login email, you click the link in your email, and it redirects you to Medium, logged in.

For real critical cases, I think a major issue might be plaintext SMTP.

I don't know percentages, but it does seem like most major SMTP servers support opportunistic TLS, so your messages are at least encrypted over the wire.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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All my side projects and any projects I control use exclusively social login. Here's why. 1. Its way easier on me. I don't have to worry about password resets or users hacking an account in the site. OAuth and be done. 2. I don't have to deal with any outgoing or incoming emails and complaints dealing with login. 3. I don't have to worry about scammers, since google/facebook pretty much require phone, a non fake emai…

I am unlikely to use your site if it requires me to use a Google or Facebook login. Those companies already have too much power to fuck my life up, I have no interest in giving them any more.

Why not create a Facebook or Google account just for these websites? Or is it the cross domain tracking that is worrying since everyone's sites are tagged?

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I'm sympathetic to your viewpoint and to a large degree share it, you are among a vanishingly small minority to not use a site or service just because of social login. 'jfaucett probably is fine sacrificing losing this small minority.

> 'jfaucett probably is fine sacrificing losing this small minority. precisely. In my experience, this small minority can actually be subdivided broadly into two groups: those with very high data privacy concerns and scammers/spammers. It turns out that in my experience, the high level data privacy concern people have been the vastly smaller of the two groups, so at the end of the day you are sacrificing a tiny fract…

Although I don't disagree, I suspect you are driving away a very interesting group of technically literate, even being small.
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