If someone pays me for a service in bitcoins (e.g. GPU rental), what dollar amount do I report for income? The dollar value of the bitcoin at the time I was paid? The dollar value on 12/31/2017 at 23:59?
yes.
then when you sell the btc for usd, you pay the capital gains tax (probably 15%, it depends) on the difference from the price it was accepted at, and the price it was sold at
Ugh, not a cryptocurrency trader, but I recently learned that by having U.S. citizenship from birth, and though I never lived there, I'm responsible for FBARs and tax-filing in the states. $4000 or so later and I'm compliant now. What a stressful pain that was.
No surprise that in both Great Britain and the US, the income tax was first instituted during a time of war. Only during a war, with the demands it places on the public conscience to make sacrifices, would the population acquiesce to an institution so contrary to natural rights and so pernicious to liberty.
Ugh, not a cryptocurrency trader, but I recently learned that by having U.S. citizenship from birth, and though I never lived there, I'm responsible for FBARs and tax-filing in the states. $4000 or so later and I'm compliant now. What a stressful pain that was.
No surprise that in both Great Britain and the US, the income tax was first instituted during a time of war. Only during a war, with the demands it places on the public conscience to make sacrifices, would the population acquiesce to an institution so contrary to natural rights and so pernicious to liberty.
There's got to be a better term than "reverse virtue signaling" to describe how the use of specific terminology (outside of a legal setting) like "pernicious", "females", or "virtue signaling" instantly means that someone can be safely dismissed.
> You can get the transaction date via the block chain or your exchanges reporting and then lookup the USD value at the time. What if the exchange I traded on doesn't have a USD Fiat pairing? Can I use any price from any exchange that day? Can I report $0.06/BTC for an xrp sale on 4/16, the date of the major coinbase flash crash? Does it have to be the exact price at the exact time? Can I choose the USD value of the…
> Can I use any price from any exchange that day? You should use the fair market value.
So any price from any exchange at any time during the day? You haven't clarified a thing by telling me to use the fair market value, because there is no standardized way to determine fair market value. These aren't stable mature markets, a blink of the eye and the market may be transacting at +/-10%. Determining fair market value is the primary problem with cryptocurrency taxation. If you're lucky enough to be trading in USD paired currencies, great...you can use actual transaction values. But the vast majority of crypto trades aren't with any fiat pair.
No surprise that in both Great Britain and the US, the income tax was first instituted during a time of war. Only during a war, with the demands it places on the public conscience to make sacrifices, would the population acquiesce to an institution so contrary to natural rights and so pernicious to liberty.
Which countries don't have income tax?
Small countries, mostly tax havens. Investment income is not classified as income in most jurisdictions.. so doesn't really matter.
Why is it unreasonable? Your brokerage should be tracking your entry and exit for each trade and sending you a comprehensive 1099-B come tax time. If your cryptocurrency brokerage isn't doing that for you, move your money elsewhere. If you can't find a brokerage that does that for you, maybe you should start wondering what other important controls are missing from your brokerage. Just saying.
He's talking crypto, not stocks. A brokerage company operating outside of the US has zero reason to supply you with any specific US tax docs.
A US person (for tax purposes) should not be dealing with a brokerage company operating outside of the US. The US government has decided that the only reason someone would do that is to evade taxes (although money laundering is a nice cover story) and punishes such behaviour with accordingly with additional paperwork and bureaucratic headaches.
A brokerage company operating outside of the US should still be sending you relevant local tax forms. If they are operating in a tax haven, well, maybe don't do business with companies operating in tax havens if you want your US taxes to be easy.
A tax CPA I used in the past advised me with (hundreds of) short term equity trades to just present the before and after figures, since that represented the true income. They explained that in their experience, that was satisfactory to the IRS. It is unrealistic to expect people making frequent trades to carefully document every trade (unless perhaps that is their profession). It's even worse for cryptocurrencies, si…
That's what I did, just provided the before and after. If I get audited, it shouldn't matter, since I already paid all the tax so they have the money. Worst case I'll just have to spend time getting all the records in order. From here on out I am keeping better records however and trying to minimize how many trades I make.
Another point everyone should remember because I’ve seen the attitude a lot recently. If the reporting requirements seem to be literally impossible to comply with, this doesn’t mean you conclude “so I don’t have to pay taxes”. It means you should conclude “I have to pay the maximum taxes possible under the worst case scenario because I don’t have the records to prove my version of events”. It has nothing to do with c…
The government needs to fix the problem that it's so difficult to know what you're required to pay without just paying the maximum guess (and then pay more ahead of time to avoid penalties). I've reported an instance of 2 conflicting statements in 2 separate IRS forms to the IRS, and rather than clarifying what was required they referred me to a tax advisor, who also didn't know the answer to the question. So we took…
It's not the government's fault you lost track of your records.
Another point everyone should remember because I’ve seen the attitude a lot recently. If the reporting requirements seem to be literally impossible to comply with, this doesn’t mean you conclude “so I don’t have to pay taxes”. It means you should conclude “I have to pay the maximum taxes possible under the worst case scenario because I don’t have the records to prove my version of events”. It has nothing to do with c…
The government needs to fix the problem that it's so difficult to know what you're required to pay without just paying the maximum guess (and then pay more ahead of time to avoid penalties). I've reported an instance of 2 conflicting statements in 2 separate IRS forms to the IRS, and rather than clarifying what was required they referred me to a tax advisor, who also didn't know the answer to the question. So we took…
Reminded me of this kid that said he bought some bitcoins and then sold to buy some alt coins. >At the advice of my friends, I took most of my savings and bought 8 bitcoins back in early 2017 for about $7200. You can imagine how I felt when it went up. Around December 2017, I got caught up in the altcoins frenzy and sold most of my bitcoins (about $120k worth) to buy a bunch of different coins. I didn't know this bac…
I still find it weird that he has to pay taxes in dollars on something that he doesn't know the value of in dollars since he hasn't converted his cryptocurrency assets to fiat yet.
If avoiding taxes in this situation was allowed, much of the economy would move to barter.