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Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

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Re: Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

#61

What are our legislative options now? Let's assume we're already exhausting all technical options.

When the legislative branch screws up, it's on one of the others to keep it in check. Usually the judicial. This will be fought in the courts once a defendant is incentivized enough to spend the money to do so.

Re: Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

#62
> This bill is the CLOUD Act. It was never reviewed or marked up by any committee in either the House or the Senate. It never received a hearing. It was robbed of a stand-alone floor vote because Congressional leadership decided, behind closed doors, to attach this un-vetted, unrelated data bill to the $1.3 trillion government spending bill.

And this, gentlemen, is why you NEVER trust a government. Any government.

Re: Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

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The line item veto will never be back, it should never have happened. Congress writes laws, not the executive. I'm with you on the rest of that.

>>Congress writes laws, not the executive and the executive approves them, that is the check. If they created a Single Issue rule it would not be an issue anyway, but if they are going to have the ability to pass omnibus bills then a check on that is the line item veto, no line item veto not omnibus they should go hand in hand

> if they created a Single Issue rule it would not be an issue anyway

The single issue rule does not stop omnibus spending bills (which is exactly what normal budget bills are.)

Re: Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

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So, here's a question. I'm a small self-hoster, US-based. If the "London police" come calling asking for my data, what repercussions do I face if I just say "No"?

The UK government can compel you to give them whatever they want by indirectly acting via the US Govt. They will pressure the US Govt the US Govt will act on you. So even though on paper they can't directly act against you, rest assured, they can. Lets pretend that the US government would not comply with requests to compel you to give them something, you can still be sued or otherwise acted upon in such a way that yo…

This is incorrect. The US government has no interest in turning over their citizens to the UK government. The UK government is unlikely to sue a US citizen in US court to assert their jurisdiction.

The most the UK government would probably do is issue a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty request with the US government, who would then go get a warrant and serve that on you, which you would have to respond to.

Re: Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

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Yup. No secret, once recorded, stays secret forever and the surveillance state's expansion is making it worse. It'll just be a bigger pot to steal and no one bothers to pay for security because they don't have to. Equifax made money off its security breach ffs.

>Equifax made money off its security breach ffs. Source?

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/equifax-make-money-b...

Re: Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. No secret, once recorded, stays secret forever and the surveillance state's expansion is making it worse. It'll just be a bigger pot to steal and no one bothers to pay for security because they don't have to. Equifax made money off its security breach ffs.

>Equifax made money off its security breach ffs. Source?

Operating revenue for "U.S. Information Solutions" is up $29 million over 2016 for the period right after the breach in 2017.

+ various third parties (i.e. the one linked to) have said its likely they made money off the breach.

Re: Responsibility Deflected, the CLOUD Act Passes

#67

> This bill is the CLOUD Act. It was never reviewed or marked up by any committee in either the House or the Senate. It never received a hearing. It was robbed of a stand-alone floor vote because Congressional leadership decided, behind closed doors, to attach this un-vetted, unrelated data bill to the $1.3 trillion government spending bill. Congress has a professional responsibility to listen to the American people’…

> When will people realize that surveillance can be abused and it is usually for political or corporate espionage, has nothing to do with making anyone more secure or safe.

Throughout history, surveillance of a population has never been in the interests of that population.

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