Grindr next?
Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA
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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA
#492I own a leader classified ad website in my country (not the us). You cannot imagine the pressure we get from all directions to remove categories (regulation, companies, associations, etc). The free horizontal classified ad websites are slowly dying. In the future, as a customer, you should be prepared to pay for publishing an ad with skyrocketing fees due to regulation. Classified ads will be validated (vs moderated) as regulation tend to push the responsabilities on the website owner. The categories and the variety of allowed items will decrease due to regulation and commercial pressure (You can forget reselling your 10'000USD Gucci bag after a break up).
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#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been thinking about this a lot this morning. I think almost every vice would be less damaging to society if it was in the open. Polite society doesn't want to see sex work or drugs, but they still exist. Hiding them makes things much worse for the people directly involved. It's trafficked kids with broken immigration status who are more scared of the cops than their captors. It's drug addicts who OD on tainted d…
I've been thinking about this peripherally for a while, especially the bigger picture when some law is passed, and it seems exceptionally out of touch with the reality, and does more harm than good. A depressing thought: What if we apply something akin to Occam's Razor? What if the lawmakers want to hurt the people struggling at at the lower rungs of society? To me it feels unlikely it is intentional in most cases, o…
Might I suggest an introduction course to political science? Additionally consider learning legal history and contemporary things. The law isn’t as Ill considered as most techies believe, and also recognizes the imperfections of the human system it is. There are just no better options.
Unfortunately technology isn’t infaliable either and the result of thinking it is, is the refusal to fix problems because they “can’t happen”.
Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA
#494Twitter, Instagram and Facebook have a lot of escorts having a profile. Are their CEO also at risk? Are they planning to remove these profiles? Is Facebook Marketplace at risk? Has someone some info?
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#495Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks, that’s very succinctly put! Besides Hal Draper, what authors would you recommend to further explore this thought? I’m educated as a programmer and only beginning to deliberately explore ideas outside of science and engineering.
Reason and Liberty by Shayne Wissler. It can be downloaded for free online.
Thanks everyone, I'll do some reading! Maybe I'll even follow up in a month or so. No promises.
Replying at the end of the thread because I think that makes the most sense.
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Its their fault they forced craigslist to shut down a section openly advertising illegal content? I love the contortions people make. It's not like sex work is even legal in the majority of western nations
They failed to stop the crime they were trying to stop, but did ruin something else, so the government's actions were a net negative. Are you at fault if you just make things worse? I suspect most people would say yes. Governments have a long history of enforcing laws in ways that harm everyone but the criminals they were trying to stop. You shouldn't expect people to be pleased.
You assume they were trying to stop the criminals in the first place.
Hierarchy of Government Rationality as it pertains to criminal law
1. Generate Revenue
2. Control the population
3. Protect Businesses and the Wealthy people that fund Campaigns
.... many other items
9999999999999. Stop criminals
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How do you reconcile this with the #metoo feminist supremacist movement, the transgender-rights progressive supremacist movement, the illegal-immigrant-rights movement -- all of it is unabashed moralizing, extolling the claims of a utopian future while decrying opponents as irredeemable sinners? They are puritans of another flavor, intending to "purify" America (and the world) of "cultural oppression."
> the #metoo feminist supremacist movement Yes, damn those feminists and their opposition of rape... /s
Due process is dead -- a simple accusation is enough to crush the career of any public-facing authority figure, regardless of the proof provided.
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In defense of the "scorched earth approach or nothing" folks: from my perspective... it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. If you've ever felt frustrated at an IVR system for routine tasks such as banking, restaurant reservations, canceling a gym…
The "scorched earth" approach only gets support when the nature and scope of the issues are distorted. What are the real issues in play? One is prostitution, a form of sex work which is illegal in most of the United States. The American public have varying feelings about its legal status, how enforcement should be carried out, etc. Public opinion doesn't support measures which endanger sex workers (which FOSTA does),…
> A separate issue is human trafficking, which is moving people across borders for the purpose of slavery/forced labor, including sex slavery. Public opinion is rightly massively against slavery in any form.
The thing is, while some people see it as a separate issue, there is a very common opinion (deliberately fostered by the anti-prostitution lobby) that prostitution is inherently and inalterably human trafficking, and invocation of the term "human trafficking" is now very commonly used as a cover for policies that are directed generally against prostitution, and not at either the place where human trafficking overlaps with prostitution and not at human trafficking unconnected to prostitution.
Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA
#499Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been thinking about this a lot this morning. I think almost every vice would be less damaging to society if it was in the open. Polite society doesn't want to see sex work or drugs, but they still exist. Hiding them makes things much worse for the people directly involved. It's trafficked kids with broken immigration status who are more scared of the cops than their captors. It's drug addicts who OD on tainted d…
I've been thinking about this peripherally for a while, especially the bigger picture when some law is passed, and it seems exceptionally out of touch with the reality, and does more harm than good. A depressing thought: What if we apply something akin to Occam's Razor? What if the lawmakers want to hurt the people struggling at at the lower rungs of society? To me it feels unlikely it is intentional in most cases, o…
Follow the money. Either the hurt being inflicted on the helpless leads to more votes or business opportunities for cronies.
The "kick the helpless" is because they helpless can't fight back.
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"What if the lawmakers want to hurt the people struggling at at the lower rungs of society? To me it feels unlikely it is intentional in most cases, or conscious, but what if on some level, there is a motivation to hurt these people who they feel are inferior?" Doubtful. It's not that they don't want to help them, but more that there's simply not much government can do. Consider drug addicts. One of my good friends d…
> You can disagree with the means of the war, but the intent was to help society and the people most vulnerable in society by eliminating drugs through force. Ha, ha, no it wasn't. It was started by Republicans to get people angry at the hippies and black people. Read this: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/nixon-aide-war-drug... The salient quote is: "“We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against…
Are theft and murder so obvious?
Obviously murder is among the greatest tragedies, but often it's a product of circumstance. Theft especially so