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Post by Bartweiss »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #306
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because a minority of users make a living through sex. // So you deny there is trafficking of people as sex slaves? Or that particular sites enable it? Or?

I think the point is: imagine government banned bars , because some percentage of rapes involve perpetrators stalking victims in bars and getting them drunk.

Perhaps more directly - if we're trying to stop sex trafficking by shutting down the places where victims meet clients, we're going to have to ban streets.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by ksk »

valuearb wrote: post #75
rpearl wrote: post #72

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The goal of the legislation in question is specifically to help individuals that have been coerced, against their free will, into sex trafficking. It is not about voluntary interactions between consenting adults. The legislation might be misguided or ineffective--I haven't really looked into it--but it very definitely isn't about restricting the free choice of individuals.

It’s completely limiting free choice and voluntary interactions between consenting adults. A huge personals section just got shut down. Unless you think 100% of personal ads are coerced sex trafficking, which would be rather crazy opinion. If you truly wanted to curb sex trafficking, you’d legalize prostitution, not drive it farther underground.

>If you truly wanted to curb sex trafficking, you’d legalize prostitution, not drive it farther underground.

What does that mean? Countries where prostitution is legal have little to no sex trafficking? What are you basing this on?

In any case, hopefully as a society we'd want to reduce or eliminate prostitution, not enable it. To me, it is quite sad that a person feels compelled (in many cases) to sell themselves as a piece of meat.

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Post by s5fs »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #294
secabeen wrote: post #138

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Take the challenge from their side. If they leave the bb-gun sub active, how do they ensure that people aren't going to the bb-gun sub, and trading real guns there? They'd have to have humans police each post, or develop ML algorithms that can reliably identify when someone is hiding a real gun sale as a bb-gun sale. The former doesn't scale reliably (sure, the mods of the bb-gun sub could probably do it voluntarily,…

> Banning both subs definitely stops the illegal transactions Big ol' [citation needed]. This just moves it to r/beaniebabytrades, where you have to not explicitly say you're trading firearms. The only way this helps is by making those subreddits less discoverable, but anyone with an interest in guns will go to another subreddit, and get clued in by the members there.

"Limited edition Beary Garcia" is code-word for submachine gun.

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Post by TallGuyShort »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #67
aaronrenoir wrote: post #4

For a good time respond to this post and we can make financial arrangements ;)

I'm willing to gift you 10 roses per hour of time together. But I'm paying for your company only. If we choose to voluntarily play hide the bologna then that's our personal business. No dirty talk on the phone and no blocked numbers please.

Too much detail. No we all know about you.

Oh shit, now you all know about me.

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Post by e40 »

k_sh wrote: post #452
e40 wrote: post #378

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And let's not forget these are the small government, personal-freedom pushing Republicans perpetrating this shit.

FOSTA passed the Senate 97-2... I don't think that's a fair assessment in this instance

Authored by a Republican, with 43 Republican co-sponsors and 27 Democratic co-sponsors.

But, your criticism of my comment was fair.

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Post by parliament32 »

cookiecaper wrote: post #182
josephagoss wrote: post #133

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> What do you see changing? As the internet becomes a resource that is completely boring and out of touch to 15-40 year olds people will flock to a less restrictive system. As eyeballs move over people will invest time and effort into making those systems usable. This happened with the internet and can happen again with decentralized systems.

The internet is pretty much as decentralized as things get while remaining accessible and available to the general public. There is room for some tweaking here, but even if a parallel "NewNet" rose up, it'd come to suffer the same set of problems. "Decentralized", "peer-to-peer", and "distributed" are not just magic words that make the whole world better. Consider BitTorrent as a case study. Probably the largest "dec…

>Probably the largest "decentralized" tech success story in internet history ... and it depends on a central core of pre-baked trackers, safe DHT bootstrap nodes, and search engines to be usable.

I get the feeling you're not very involved in the private tracker community.

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Post by Delmania »

meri_dian wrote: post #447
manofmanysmiles wrote: post #394

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I've been thinking about this peripherally for a while, especially the bigger picture when some law is passed, and it seems exceptionally out of touch with the reality, and does more harm than good. A depressing thought: What if we apply something akin to Occam's Razor? What if the lawmakers want to hurt the people struggling at at the lower rungs of society? To me it feels unlikely it is intentional in most cases, o…

"What if the lawmakers want to hurt the people struggling at at the lower rungs of society? To me it feels unlikely it is intentional in most cases, or conscious, but what if on some level, there is a motivation to hurt these people who they feel are inferior?" Doubtful. It's not that they don't want to help them, but more that there's simply not much government can do. Consider drug addicts. One of my good friends d…

> You can disagree with the means of the war, but the intent was to help society and the people most vulnerable in society by eliminating drugs through force.

Ha, ha, no it wasn't. It was started by Republicans to get people angry at the hippies and black people. Read this: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/nixon-aide-war-drug...

The salient quote is: "“We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

A true "war on drugs" would seek to increase access to rehabilitation and counselors, while identifying and working to reduce the causes of addiction. Any time a lawmakers seeks to make something punishable by jail time, he is seeking to hurt someone he disagrees with. (There are obvious exceptions, like murder, theft, etc).

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Post by bduerst »

vibrio wrote: post #429
TeMPOraL wrote: post #314

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FWIW, it's raining natural gas on Titan.

...and raining diamonds on Saturn and Jupiter. Surely there is a frothy Series A to be had here somewhere.

Forget hydrocarbons and diamonds, the Helium-3 mining is the next candidate for the hype curve.

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Post by rmrm »

huragok wrote: post #435
rmrm wrote: post #428

I find a somewhat irresolvable issue on the liberal viewpoint of female sexuality and using sex to sell things (or selling sex directly) I see a lot of push back and negativity towards things like "booth babes" and other models that are employed to use their sexuality to help sell something. And I dont really argue with that, from a consumer angle. But I do also hear and feel for those models, who likely rightly say,…

The question you have to ask is whether or not a "booth babe" would choose such work over others if they had a choice and not merely because it pays the bills.

I would assume attractive women have more options open to them, not less. Same for atrractive males. Attractive people earn more, on average.

Being a booth babe is an option not open to unattractive people. Seems like a superset.

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Post by Chris_Jay »

e40 wrote: post #376
safety1st wrote: post #258

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Thanks for the links! These Wikipedia articles demonstrate my point that the facts and data are very weak in the trafficking discussion, and that data is often misrepresented to exaggerate the size of the problem. - The sex trafficking article states that in 2001 the State Department estimated 50k-100k were trafficked into the US -- this estimate was for both genders but the article erroneously states it is women onl…

Why aren't we doing better studies and getting better data about the problem it purports to solve? I'll probably get downvotes for this, but the Republican leadership is uninterested in facts. They are only interested in their agenda, and if facts get in the way, they will ignore them. It got a lot worse when Newt Gingrich took the reigns in Congress in the 90's. Since Obama was elected, it's gone into hyperdrive. Th…

Your comment brings to mind this article: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-blathering-superego-...!

I recommend giving it a read if you'd like your attitude challenged.

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