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Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Going to repost my canned response: >The government supports free speech because it's important and a Good Thing. Just because private companies aren't required to do the same doesn't make it any less important and a Good Thing.

"Censorship" is a Bad Word because of Nazi book burnings, Soviet political censorship, Fahrenheit 451, and other notions of "government censorship". Its "Bad Word" status means that we don't want it to apply to the kinds of blocking that we think are legitimate. But the reality is that censorship is not all, or even mostly, bad. YouTube censors snuff videos. And porn. Is that bad? How about videos showing how to make…

An argument can be made on what is and is not appropriate to censor, and we would probably disagree. But that's not important - what's important is who should decide what is and is not censored. Should YouTube (and Google) be making that decision, or should the government?

At least in theory, the government is an extension of the people, and a private corporation is not. We should decide as a society what topics should and should not be censored. Then we can defend minority viewpoints and make moral judgements, rather than financial ones.

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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country? I'm taking a chance here on hacker news with what might have been a troll comment, but please accept my sincere honest intent to understand your po…

How does a suppressed destructive device... A suppressor, aka "silencer", is a SAFETY device. If you believe otherwise, you've been watching too much TV. They don't render the weapon silent or even quiet, they bring the explosive sound down to a range that doesn't pose risk of hearing loss. I've seen the sound of a gun with a good silencer likened to slamming an unabridged dictionary onto a solid table as hard as you…

That seems like a fig leaf.

The tradeoff is between the relative costs and benefits of suppressors. Given that ear protection is cheap, plentiful, and doesn't increase the probability of someone getting shot, it's hard to justify the legality of suppressors for purely "safety" reasons.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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I had typed a whole post but you replied first so I would like to continue on the whole 'Youtube is a private company' issue. For me this is becoming more and more of an issue. I don't know if I have a good solution for it, or if the analogies running around in my head match up well. But the crux of the issue is that internet companies offering very very very public services are hiding behind being a private company…

Do you believe YouTube should be forced to host porn? Why or why not?

I think my post already covers that...

Do you think the power company should be able to stop delivering power to porn providers?

Should DNS servers not serve dns request for porn sites? Should ICCAN not allow you to register porn domains?

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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>Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country? It doesn't directly, but without a private right to bear arms all you're left with is a centralised police force on steroids. The big fault of the American gun rights movement is of course that they ignored that arguably most important part of the 2nd amendment, there is no real popular militi…

Respectfully, even if there was a strong recognized militia they had a tank I cannot follow the reasoning. We're a troubled democracy, but the army is practically saintly to many. A sample size of 1 is small, but does anyone here NOT know someone in the military? If so, would you shoot your fellow countrymen? I understand how quickly people abandon their principles in times of crisis, but in 230 years and we've had o…

and you can be easily 7 days away from another, if brownish stuff hits the fan hard enough

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That's not what censorship means.

Here's what Merriam Webster says censorship means: >1 a : the institution, system, or practice of censoring >"They oppose government censorship." The example use calls out government censorship as a specific type of censorship. If "censorship" meant "the government censoring things" you would not need to specify "government censorship" in that sentence. Yes, I know that dictionary definitions are not necessarily the…

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They, and you, and all of us, are allowed to discriminate, and we do so all the time. However, we have made laws that prohibit certain kinds of discrimination against "protected classes", e.g. based on sex and race. Being an advocate of gun rights is not a protected class.

I don't think you understand my argument. I am talking precisely about discrimination against what you call "protected classes" (actually, I don't think the legislation is class oriented, but let's put that aside). Companies are not allowed to do that, but individuals are allowed to discriminate even "protected classes". I can freely choose not to associate with black people, for instance. And that is a good thing. S…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group

Actually, political opinion is not protected against discrimination. Otherwise I could create a political party that advocated, say, the extermination of a particular group, and then if you refused to hire me (because I'm obviously an asshat if I hold this view) I could sue you.

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Not really. There is now an independent streaming service dedicated to shooting sports: https://www.full30.com/ . A lot of the youtube channels are moving there, including InRange (mentioned in the article): https://www.full30.com/channels/inrange

The problem with fragmentation is discoverability. If all the videos are on one site you might serendipitously discover that you love shooting videos when you didn’t even know they existed. If cat videos and shooting videos are on totally separate sites then that’s much less likely to happen.

If cat videos and shooting videos are on totally separate sites, where do we put the videos that are both?

a. The cat has a gun.

b. The cat is shot at.

c. The cat is fired out of a cannon, as a circus performer.

d. It's a hunting cat. It fetches things that have been shot.

e. Cats like sitting on warm things. Guns get warm.

f. Cat fur gets into everything. Picture a cleaning video with a gun jammed up by fur.

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Don't think it's a first amendment issue, but the printing press in question is offering to print everyone else's pamphlets for free, but turns down pamphlets that are not compliant with its liberal agenda. I think it is certainly entitled to do so, but I have seen many, even on HN, denying that the Silicon Valley is progressively becoming hostile to non liberal opinions. This seems to be a good illustration. And thi…

It has absolutely nothing to do with a "liberal agenda", this is capitalism plain and simple. There is nothing more to it and anyone who says it's a conspiracy by is off their rocker. YouTube exists to make money. It makes money through advertisers. If advertisers don't want to use YouTube then YouTube loses money.

So they would turn down no advertiser and will capitulate to any advertiser's wishes if it made them more money? Of course not, so it's not capitalism plain and simple. To say it is ignores that humans can make decisions and changes the discussion point. It might be that the advertisers are the ones pushing a certain agenda. It might not. But don't kill the discussion about how things slant by saying it's only about money.

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Why do voters need to align their preferences with the US Constitution? Even assuming that the second amendment only allows residents to own weapons for militia use, I think it’s reasonable for citizens to say they won’t be happy until that right is expanded. If nothing else, they may mean that they support an additional amendment to carve out more rights.

Hi! Appreciate the feedback. So you raise any interesting point. I'm only concerned about the law of the land since it's generally more or less the common ground we are forced to live on. New question, and this is more open to derailment, but let's risk it. ASSUME your current policy (liberal or conservative) is wrong, what what extent do you have the right to choose it anyways?

I’m really just playing devil’s advocate. Half the time people talk about what the law is, and half the time they talk about what the law should be. In either case, it feels like half the time I want to talk about the other subject than what gets brought up.

To answer your question, you should always have the right to be wrong (e.g., choose or prefer a wrong policy). I’m sure people would prefer to say “you have an unqualified right to be wrong, but only on matters that don’t affect others.” But I’ll go further and say everyone has the right to be stubborn and thick-headed.

I am assuming that even with a right to be wrong, I don’t have a right to be violent about it, etc. It’s more “I have a right to be a crank (if I’m in the minority), and a right to vote for bad policies and expect them to be implemented (if I win and they don’t violate civil rights).”

In a democracy, the safety valves seem to be:

* usually it’s hard to prove which answer is right or wrong (society as a whole doesn’t pay much for less-than-optimal policies that aren’t actively bad)

* for policies that are actively bad, the people generally notice the high cost and change the policy.

If you think I’m wrong, or I think you’re wrong, we don’t get to steamroll each other. We have to try to convince the other side. This can be annoying, but every alternative we’ve tried has been worse. No dictator, bureau, monarch, etc. has a perfect record of always choosing right or always correcting past mistakes. So I think it’s reasonable to assume we’ll always have some mistaken policies. The question is which mistaken policies should we live with (answer: the ones we choose to live with).

I have an old game book that includes the quote “democracy guarantees the people get the government they deserve.” I’ve also heard the statement “democracy assumes the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.” I agree with both statements.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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post #164

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"Censorship" is a Bad Word because of Nazi book burnings, Soviet political censorship, Fahrenheit 451, and other notions of "government censorship". Its "Bad Word" status means that we don't want it to apply to the kinds of blocking that we think are legitimate. But the reality is that censorship is not all, or even mostly, bad. YouTube censors snuff videos. And porn. Is that bad? How about videos showing how to make…

An argument can be made on what is and is not appropriate to censor, and we would probably disagree. But that's not important - what's important is who should decide what is and is not censored. Should YouTube (and Google) be making that decision, or should the government? At least in theory, the government is an extension of the people, and a private corporation is not. We should decide as a society what topics shou…

I think content providers and platforms should be free to make whatever choice they want regarding content on their platform, provided they don't discriminate illegally (i.e., based on membership in a protected group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group)

If you fully ramify your position, you're advocating that the government tell me that if I host videos, I can't prevent people from posting videos that I don't like. E.g., if I make a cat video hosting platform, and someone uploads a dog video, I can't stop them.

Again, this is a debate about where to draw the line. It just happens to be the case that there are some people who are fierce advocates for maximizing the amount of gun stuff that is readily available online.

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