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Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by maxlybbert » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:14 PM UTC

scrub_tier wrote: post #35

madengr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hunting parks? Isn’t that like a canned trophy shoot? I’ll be satisfied when I can buy a full auto, short barrel, suppressed, 51 caliber, via anonymous mail order, and paid with crypto currency.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country? I'm taking a chance here on hacker news with what might have been a troll comment, but please accept my sincere honest intent to understand your po…

Why do voters need to align their preferences with the US Constitution? Even assuming that the second amendment only allows residents to own weapons for militia use, I think it’s reasonable for citizens to say they won’t be happy until that right is expanded. If nothing else, they may mean that they support an additional amendment to carve out more rights.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by krapp » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:15 PM UTC

mason55 wrote: post #29

ropeadopepope wrote: post #14

Not really. There is now an independent streaming service dedicated to shooting sports: https://www.full30.com/ . A lot of the youtube channels are moving there, including InRange (mentioned in the article): https://www.full30.com/channels/inrange

The problem with fragmentation is discoverability. If all the videos are on one site you might serendipitously discover that you love shooting videos when you didn’t even know they existed. If cat videos and shooting videos are on totally separate sites then that’s much less likely to happen.

Before Google and the big aggregator silos like Reddit and Facebook existed, people were able to discover content on the web just fine, it just took a bit more effort.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by orthecreedence » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:16 PM UTC

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #26

zaarn wrote: post #2

PornHub: The last bastion of a free and good internet. There is also some porn. I think 10 years ago people would have laughed at the idea that a federal law pushed gun enthusiasts into pornographic websites.

it's unfortunate that the 1st amendment doesn't extend to companies. they can freely remove content their community is currently witchhunting. But its okay since that's how our constitution wanted it, government cannot discriminate but for private business it doesn't matter.

> it's unfortunate that the 1st amendment doesn't extend to companies

It does. The companies have the freedom of speech to NOT host or promote speech they do not support.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by jacknews » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:17 PM UTC

cobrabyte wrote: post #81

jacknews wrote: post #38

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Hunting parks as in designated/licensed areas where you can hunt with guns. Not Manhattan, for example. Full auto etc, for what purpose?

Because I want it. It doesn't affect your life or liberty that I have it. Stop blaming guns for the actions of crazy people.

It does indeed affect my liberty and perception of (and actual) safety.

How do I know you're not a crazy person? Or that you won't have crazy moments (like most people do)? Or that you're not crazy, just evil, or megalomanical? Or just the kind of dishonorable person who thinks a gun can win an argument?

I don't want to have to arm or defend myself against any of those possibilities, just so you can satisfy your desire, which can easily be acted out in controlled areas; shooting ranges, hunting parks, gun theme parks etc.

Or better yet, you can examine your desire, understand it, dissipate it. Try meditating.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by scrub_tier » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:18 PM UTC

M_Bakhtiari wrote: post #58

scrub_tier wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country? I'm taking a chance here on hacker news with what might have been a troll comment, but please accept my sincere honest intent to understand your po…

>Respectfully, how does your desire to bear private arms contribute to your militia or the freedom of your state and country? It doesn't directly, but without a private right to bear arms all you're left with is a centralised police force on steroids. The big fault of the American gun rights movement is of course that they ignored that arguably most important part of the 2nd amendment, there is no real popular militi…

Respectfully, even if there was a strong recognized militia they had a tank I cannot follow the reasoning. We're a troubled democracy, but the army is practically saintly to many. A sample size of 1 is small, but does anyone here NOT know someone in the military? If so, would you shoot your fellow countrymen? I understand how quickly people abandon their principles in times of crisis, but in 230 years and we've had one civil war?

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by krapp » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:18 PM UTC

enzanki_ars wrote: post #83

ryanmarsh wrote: post #41

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It’s funny that you say that. 20 years ago nobody had a problem running their personal website or FTP server on an ISDN line into their garage. Today I have 100Mb fiber to my house. I’m pretty sure that’s enough to handle a personal video website for somebody with a modest following. Yet we live on these massive centralized platforms.

We need to solve a couple of problems first. Right now, standing up a web host correctly is difficult. Getting the settings right is troublesome, buying a domain can be expensive and hard to set up, and directing the DNS of that domain to your home's internet (where most homes, at least in the US, are dynamic addresses) is very difficult. Video hosting is a tricky experience. Delivering quickly at multiple bitrates i…

Why host videos rather than torrent them?

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by ufmace » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:22 PM UTC

Well say goodbye to any goodwill from me regarding Youtube. I will now feel no qualms about using any means at my disposal to block their ads while watching their video and not paying for it.

They may not be legally required to allow free speech, but I believe that free speech is a cultural norm that we need to work to preserve. Excusing rampant violations of free speech because it isn't technically illegal or unconstitutional right now is paving the road towards actual government tyranny. And when it comes, nobody will be able to hear you complain about it, because every platform will shut you down while technically not violating the law.

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Post by waterphone » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:27 PM UTC

jacksmith21006 wrote: post #95

Laaas wrote: post #55

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How is it not censorship? It is legal, and they're not violating anything, but it is still censorship, because they are censoring something. It doesn't have to be illegal for it to be censorship.

Because Google is a private company is why it is NOT censorship.

It's censorship, it's just legal censorship because it's not the government doing it.

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Post by Shish2k » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:28 PM UTC

dreta wrote: post #17

HarrietJones wrote: post #10

I can't see PornHub continuing to allow these videos. It's not really in keeping with the core product, and previous stunts give the impression that they tend towards the left wing. I give it a week for them to start removing gun videos.

I'd say PornHub, and porn in general, is more liberal than left-wing, so i doubt they'll have anything against guns. Still, they could deem the content inapropriate for the site. Though, given the kind of seemingly random videos people upload there, and get aroused by, it's not at all definite.

> they could deem the content inapropriate for the site

In before the gun channels continue exactly as they were, except for the one change that their hosts are now nude

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by kernelkadafi » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:30 PM UTC

So one private company uses its agreed-to right to shut down these outlets, whatever you think of censorship is irrelevant, terms and conditions give youtube and google all the power they need to do whatever they want, you agree to this when using the platform.

Now, these outlets instead of moving to an open system like steem, dtube for example, they move to another private company and not only that but a porn company, wtf are they thinking?!?

Reeks of suspicion...

Don't fall for the divisive bull-plop, unite, preferebley on a public alternative.