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Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by scrub_tier » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:04 PM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #68

1787 wrote: post #62

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Speaking of established case law, we have from the very first page of Heller [1]: > The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia... [2] The Constitution encodes a value judgement about the rights it protects; these rights are presumed to be protected unless it can be shown why they aren't in some specific case. That is to say, to ask someone "how [their]…

If we actually had a Swiss-style militia system, the constitution would be completely unambiguous. Instead, the pro-gun interpretation of the 2nd amendment is that it’s first clause is completely meaningless. I’m not sure how they resolve that kind of “being literal only when convenient” hypocrisy in their heads.

While I happen to agree and appreciate your input, let's avoid words like hypocracy for now. It tends to nurture hostility and I'm trying to get some real insight.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:04 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #25

It's about time people realize that platforms like YouTube are private publishers. They have full discretion to remove or editorialize content, and there's no expectation of free speech. Expecting YouTube to keep hosting something because of First Amendment rights is as absurd as expecting a printing press to print your pamphlets for free.

Going to repost my canned response:

>The government supports free speech because it's important and a Good Thing. Just because private companies aren't required to do the same doesn't make it any less important and a Good Thing.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by jacksmith21006 » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:06 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #25

It's about time people realize that platforms like YouTube are private publishers. They have full discretion to remove or editorialize content, and there's no expectation of free speech. Expecting YouTube to keep hosting something because of First Amendment rights is as absurd as expecting a printing press to print your pamphlets for free.

Exactly. But it is ridiculous, IMO, Google does not boot the content like Alex Jones but instead is paying the infrastructure cost as not possible to monetize.

It is a great comparison to printing pamphlets. Google is basically paying the bills to print alt-right pamphlets and to me that is wrong.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by SmallDeadGuy » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:07 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #25

It's about time people realize that platforms like YouTube are private publishers. They have full discretion to remove or editorialize content, and there's no expectation of free speech. Expecting YouTube to keep hosting something because of First Amendment rights is as absurd as expecting a printing press to print your pamphlets for free.

That's not very absurd if you let the printing press stick ads all over your pamphlets, getting them revenue. A better comparison is expecting a printing press to want to associate themselves and their ads with controversial content.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by jacksmith21006 » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

Laaas wrote: post #55

chillwaves wrote: post #48

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People calling it censorship yesterday (on this forum) don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

How is it not censorship? It is legal, and they're not violating anything, but it is still censorship, because they are censoring something. It doesn't have to be illegal for it to be censorship.

Because Google is a private company is why it is NOT censorship.

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Post by maxlybbert » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:08 PM UTC

chillwaves wrote: post #49

vinniejames wrote: post #47

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That could be solved with an aggregate search tool. Independent video providors can submit results to the video search engine. Using an integrated, distributed signon (like Blockstack or uPort), friction will again be reduced to feel like one unified system

This is good but what stops the aggregator from censoring results once it gains critical mass? You literally just described Reddit.

Customers need to prevent that. Aggregators are free to present a Disney or AOL view of the internet, and customers that like that view are happy. Customers that don’t like that view need to make it clear that they would patronize a different company if given the chance.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by ad_hominem » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:11 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #25

It's about time people realize that platforms like YouTube are private publishers. They have full discretion to remove or editorialize content, and there's no expectation of free speech. Expecting YouTube to keep hosting something because of First Amendment rights is as absurd as expecting a printing press to print your pamphlets for free.

That line starts to get blurred when you have leviathan banks in an oligopolistic industry like Citi, who only exist because they were bailed out by the gov't, making decisions like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/business/citigroup-gun-co...

There's also a conversation to be had about free speech as a cultural norm. I'm within my rights to shout down everything you try to say in a public forum but I think we've seen that society suffers when that's commonplace.

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Post by jobigoud » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:12 PM UTC

ryanmarsh wrote: post #41

prepend wrote: post #22

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Fortuneately we have a distributed network of computers all over the world. With the rise of home fiber and raspberry pi type cheap boxes we can do it with data local and software free. I’m not sure what the business model is. I’m looking to porn and privacy for early examples. This worked for the Internet. AOL chat/porn was a huge use case for early chat/messaging. Music piracy and video piracy before Netflix/Apple…

It’s funny that you say that. 20 years ago nobody had a problem running their personal website or FTP server on an ISDN line into their garage. Today I have 100Mb fiber to my house. I’m pretty sure that’s enough to handle a personal video website for somebody with a modest following. Yet we live on these massive centralized platforms.

Discoverability is already pretty shitty on YouTube, imagine if everyone had its own server. How do you find anything relevant? We need to solve distributed search first, maybe something like the YaCy project.

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Post by csours » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:14 PM UTC

rwoodley wrote: post #77

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #23

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this seems like the most logical solution since pornhub is a poor place to host not porn. weapons had a home on youtubes educational channels and as uninterested as I am in guns I'm sad to see them go. I upload educational videos on youtube and don't look forward to the day I'm banned for teaching the wrong thing.

oh please. stop the hand wringing. What are you teaching, bomb-making? Simple educational videos will never be banned. Guns are a special category obviously.

Re: Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub

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Post by chillingeffect » Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 2:14 PM UTC

ironjunkie wrote: post #88

enzanki_ars wrote: post #83

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We need to solve a couple of problems first. Right now, standing up a web host correctly is difficult. Getting the settings right is troublesome, buying a domain can be expensive and hard to set up, and directing the DNS of that domain to your home's internet (where most homes, at least in the US, are dynamic addresses) is very difficult. Video hosting is a tricky experience. Delivering quickly at multiple bitrates i…

Good point. And all of this is exactly what needs to be resolved. How? I would love to see some initiatives in that area (beside IPFS)

I would love to see it, too. The good news is that these are all solved problems. It's more about tailoring the information and distributing it. It could be the online equivalent of a Sears article on how to build a shed.

I personally really enjoyed the "Links" sections at the bottoms of everyone's Web 1.0 pages.