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Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by s73v3r_ »

hjek wrote: post #54
nnq wrote: post #32

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Gimp and Inkscape are both extremely sub-par apps... Paint.NET beats Gimp in usability, Photoshop in both features and stability. Last time I tried to use Gimp for anything mildly complex (heavy usage of cage distort on a high res pic with quite a few layers) it crashed every 10min (though I was told it was the fault of the Ubuntu packaged, it's not acceptable to make a clusterfuck of the versions targetting the most…

> 2. a good vector graphics app Check out Scribus. I'd describe it as more of a serious publishing app, where Inkscape may be more for artists. Scribus uses less resources and supports multipage documents. I've also had issues with the cage transform in Gimp, but it's fixed now, so if you're on Ubuntu, just add a PPA with the latest version of Gimp. > 1. a good raster photo editor with non-destructive editing capabil…

"I think it's a bit sad to be whinging at those good pieces of free software for lacking features, and just recommend proprietary software instead. Surely, it is also the developers of the proprietary software that are causing this lack of features by not sharing their code for those."

That is probably the most ludicrous statement I've heard today. Being "free software" does not shield you from criticism. And it is not Adobe's fault that the developers of that software do not have a feature. That's entirely on the developers of those programs.

And most people do not care one iota about whether a piece of software is "free" or not. They care if it makes their life easier, and allows them to get a task done. If free software isn't up to it, and a piece of proprietary software is, then the proprietary software is what gets the nod.

"It also suggests you are willing to give up your freedom for a few extra features."

No, it means I want to get my shit done. Just because you are willing to wait does not mean anyone else is.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by s73v3r_ »

nnq wrote: post #56
whyever wrote: post #45

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Not sure how serious you were, but AFAIK Rust's ecosystem for GUI programming is extremely immature. (Hopefully this will improve, seeing that the Gnome project is investing in Rust [1,2,3].) [1] https://github.com/GNOME/librsvg [2] https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/Rust2017 [3] https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/Rust2017-2

> Rust's ecosystem for GUI programming One could just use OpenGL like Blender does to great success, maybe add something like Kivy on top. "Native feel" is not really the most desirable feature for a graphics app, especially since both (1) Linux users are used to non-native looking stuff (even Qt in GTK or the other way around is always at least a bit off) and (2) most native-looking apps, especially the GTK ones, ha…

I feel neither of those statements is accurate. While Linux users may have had to put up with non-native stuff, that doesn't mean they like it. And using OpenGL to draw your UI has just made your task several orders of magnitude harder.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by s73v3r_ »

drb91 wrote: post #76
blattimwind wrote: post #53

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My point is that Gnome is not interesting for people interested in cross-platform GUIs.

Why would people building cross-platform guis care who funds the work?

Presumably GNOME is funding work to make Rust work better with GTK.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by s73v3r_ »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #97
nnq wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gimp and Inkscape are both extremely sub-par apps... Paint.NET beats Gimp in usability, Photoshop in both features and stability. Last time I tried to use Gimp for anything mildly complex (heavy usage of cage distort on a high res pic with quite a few layers) it crashed every 10min (though I was told it was the fault of the Ubuntu packaged, it's not acceptable to make a clusterfuck of the versions targetting the most…

Swear I've read this exact comment on Slashdot back in '98, minus the Rust part. Why not assist a free project that needs help?

I don't think any of these apps are the way they are because of a lack of help. Specifically, GIMP's gui is the way it is because the leaders of the project want it that way.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by na85 »

jancsika wrote: post #49
na85 wrote: post #33

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Why would I want an extra gigabyte of memory usage for no benefit?

Math.random() * 20 13.10651926269692 Ok, Thirteen it is. 1. Because clicking a link is quicker than `apt-get install krita` 2. Because clicking a link is quicker than: "E: Package 'krita' has no installation candidate" 3. Because clicking a link is quicker than `aptitude search krita`, seeing krita data files, but still no krita 4. Because I apparently have to open up a browser and type "Debian krita" to figure out h…

Sorry, none of those "reasons" are reasons at all in my book.

I want native performance and native code, not a javascript bloat as a service.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by drb91 »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #123
drb91 wrote: post #76

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Why would people building cross-platform guis care who funds the work?

Presumably GNOME is funding work to make Rust work better with GTK.

Right, but that will only strengthen the language, even if you don’t use GTK.

Also I thought GTK3 was pretty decent cross platform but I may be overly hopeful here.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by djcapelis »

beojan wrote: post #55
lmm wrote: post #29

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My impression is that the American software community sometimes doesn't pay much attention to what's coming out of Europe. Have a look at other KDE-based programs if you haven't already - IME KVirc, Kile, KTorrent, and indeed Konqueror and KMail are best-in-class.

> KMail are best-in-class. As someone who uses KMail every day, no, it really isn't. KMail is in need of some polish.

Is there a mail client where that isn't true? Best in class might just not be as high a bar as we'd like in this area.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by Pamar »

steamer25 wrote: post #93
mattigames wrote: post #84

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That's exactly as saying that someone made a full c++ program using nothing but notepad and therefore it's impressive. All I see its someone that made their lives more difficult by purpose.

I remember some documentary with Jack White talking about how he tries to make music composition more difficult on purpose. I had a very similar reaction to yours--the example they played under his voice over wasn't very impressive to me and I'm not much of a Jack White fan to begin with. Now that I'm writing this, I suppose one useful concept is that of constraints promoting creativity by forcing you to come at the…

Regarding the “making composition difficult on purpose” I suggest the book “Trust the process: an artist’s guide to letting go” (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1570623570) which has lots of interesting material on how to stimulate creativity, and explicit advice about how to use the limitations you have as stepping stones to move forward instead of like constraints that impede your progress.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by opencl »

m-p-3 wrote: post #109
headsoup wrote: post #21

I'm very much an amateur but Krita is a great piece of software for me and does everything I need so far, for free. Much easier to use than GIMP, seems quite comparable to Photoshop and the development is going strong. It's also neat that they now include by default a lot of the deevad brushes as it's a broad selection. Keep up the good work Krita team.

The UI is much more intuitive to me than the one in GIMP, but it's probably a lack of experience with it from my part.

I've used GIMP for ~10 years and the UI still confuses me.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by beojan »

djcapelis wrote: post #127
beojan wrote: post #55

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> KMail are best-in-class. As someone who uses KMail every day, no, it really isn't. KMail is in need of some polish.

Is there a mail client where that isn't true? Best in class might just not be as high a bar as we'd like in this area.

Outlook is pretty close. What I really want, though, is GMail style conversation view that works with traditional inline replies.
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