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Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings

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Re: Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings

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This will fade away. Facebook will thrive. (Disclaimer: I closed my FB account 4 years ago). The majority of people behave by classical Pavlovian conditioning: they'll get addicted for what gives them immediate pleasure even if it brings them pain in the long run. That's why we have so much obesity, tobacco, cocaine and opioids. This is why FB will keep thriving.

This.

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Absolutely correct. I've met people in Asia (Myanmar and Nepal) who have just accessed the internet for the first time in the past 12-24 months (through their Android smartphones). But they don't know the true internet - they only know the internet through the Facebook app. They use it like we use Google and web browsers. To them, Facebook is the internet. They don't have email accounts. They don't use the browser. T…

> buzz feed Since you are as surprised as I was a month back, I've looked further and concluded that buzz feed actually funds very high quality journalism (yes yes shocking I know) and presents facts from both sides. They do it using the money generated from click baits. I'd even make what will sound like a hyperbole , if you are the sort that wants truth on both sides of political spectrum and not just an echo chamb…

Many, many people don't realise there is an entirely separate section of BuzzFeed called BuzzFeed News. BuzzFeed News are the ones who first published the "Steele dossier" to the public (as far as I recall; if there was another organisation in partnership, I only remember BuzzFeed News).

I recall at the time that people kept nitpicking over the misspelling of a bank (in a way that suggested people of a certain expertise never make spelling errors, which is simply untrue). It was a sensational story at the time, but all one needs to do now is to look back and compare it to what we know now.

Re: Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings

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First, I think what happened with Facebook/Cambridge Analytica is appalling. With that said, I think this article is silly and emblematic of poor technology coverage in the media. I think it would be awesome if users really did delete their facebook accounts if they thought these actions crossed some line. But the article cites ~50,000 #deletefacebook mentions. Come on, 50k hashtag shares is evidence of "Users Abando…

Who do you think would give us that data? Facebook? Doubtful. I think it's reasonable to assume that if 50k people tweeted about it, a far larger number probably took action (active tweeters are just a small subset of the population) or are at least thinking about reducing usage or deleting. Deleting facebook has been a topic of conversation in my circle for months since I did it ~4 months ago or so. It's definitely…

>I think it's reasonable to assume that if 50k people tweeted about it, a far larger number probably took action (active tweeters are just a small subset of the population) or are at least thinking about reducing usage or deleting.

These "Delete Facebook" campaigns are nothing new. They used to spread around Facebook like chain letters all the time (maybe less between then and now, I don't really know since I haven't used it much), always about privacy something, and all the people posting them were always right back to their normal Facebook usage the next week as if nothing happened. Maybe this time it'll stick a little more among the small group of people who are invested in this kind of thing, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings

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A year or so ago I noticed I would wake up and the first thing I did was load up Facebook in my phone. I deleted the app, and what do I do? i still open it on my phone's browser. So I changed my password to 32 characters generated by Keepass, and make sure I logged out of it on my phone. I'm still logged in on the desktop, but nowadays it's pretty quiet anyway. Thr last few days I've been using a Chrome extension (1)…

if you have to convince. Try signal. As good as whatsapp, in most ways, better in others. Signal did whatsapp's encryption. I use both - if a contact is on both signal and whatsapp I use signal. I think signal is the best of these with whatsapp second. Everything else is equal last. This ranking will no doubt change in the coming years with upstart competition doing communication with proper encryption. I look forwar…

Have you tried Wire? (Similar protocol as Signal, more polished apps)

Re: Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings

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I've had a dormant FB account for years. I don't like the site and I never add content. I believe that social media has become a net detractor to quality-of-life for many (most?) humans who use it. I think Mark Zuckerberg is either incredibly naive, or a sleaze bag, but in either case should suffer some consequences from this. That said, I probably won't delete my account. It remains the only way many of my friends p…

Same here. I probably gave FB way too much information over the early years, but I can't see what difference a dormant FB account with occasional event planning activity does over deleting it outright. It's not like you can ever "delete" your FB account anyway.

As we say around these parts, "perfect is the enemy of good".

I've used Facebook a fair bit over the past decade and only deactivated it two months ago, after Zuckerberg signalled his intentions for 2018. I see a deactivated account as being a precursor to finding a way to test, properly obfuscate and then really delete.

So compared to doing nothing, I am in the process of deleting as much as possible. I don't want to participate with events, groups or with people who might be encouraged by me staying (this assumes that they care, of which some do; so it is my responsibility to help pull them away).

Read this: http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook/

Re: Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings

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If you’re worried about privacy, there’s an alternative strategy to removing data/tracking, and that’s obscuring your data by burying it in the noise of fake data. I’ve installed plugins that automatically issue searches, crawl pages, and click on ads. Clicking on irrelevant ads destroys the value of ads themselves. This pleases me.

Any specific browser plugin recommendations? I use Firefox with uBlock and a few others, but Google has me by my mobile device.

I have AdNauseum installed. I can't tell you whether it actually throws them off or not, but I agree with the post above - "this pleases me".

The best thing I've found for social media ads is to manually click on ads that are way off-base and reply to the posts. Now I have lots of ads for pedialyte and vinyl releases of video game soundtracks - which I have no use for.

Re: Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings

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Or he lacks the social awareness, introspectiveness to see how his product has a negative impact.

Or in this case, he was a 20 year old kid running a website with his college friends and roommates.

At this point, I think it is unproductive to comment on Zuckerberg as an individual (ad-hominem attacks?) because this leads to assuming that any alternative CEO would be better. I don't think we've had any solid evidence so far that he's naïve or a "sleazebag". However, what might be more frightening is the fact that he appears to be very normal and that many of us might share more traits with him than we'd be comfortable with admitting. Or perhaps that isn't frightening for many, and he is who some still aspire to (just like how many admire the management style of Torvalds or Jobs).

Facebook's business model doesn't depend on Mark Zuckerberg's "magic". It will continue to grow or break regardless of whether he's at the helm or not. Users, advertisers, competitors and governments will have to be the ones to decide.

Re: Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings

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This will fade away. Facebook will thrive. (Disclaimer: I closed my FB account 4 years ago). The majority of people behave by classical Pavlovian conditioning: they'll get addicted for what gives them immediate pleasure even if it brings them pain in the long run. That's why we have so much obesity, tobacco, cocaine and opioids. This is why FB will keep thriving.

Supposing you're right, what is Facebook so good at that MySpace couldn't manage to do? What really is their "moat" that no one else can touch? Interesting that you mention obesity, tobacco, cocaine and opiods because not all of those problems are inevitable for all societies. Personally, I think the two most misused technologies from last century is the car (invented late 19th century, but mostly innovated on in the…

Now it is network effects. But when it first started it became popular because:

a) MySpace wasn't actually that popular (was your mum on it for example?) so there weren't many network effects.

b) It looked clean, unlike the eye-stabbing experience of MySpace

c) It was more secure than MySpace because only people from your university could see your profile.

Things are different now so you're never going to have success with that strategy (although the university-based access thing could potentially work again).

I think what will kill Facebook now is the sheer volume of low quality content on it - not just adverts but "Dave tagged you in this meme", and "Jen shared this gif of a cute dog" and "Remember what you were doing one year ago today!".

It's just, not very pleasant. You can tame it by using an ad blocker and unsubscribing from most of your friends... but even then there are some post types you can only "See less of" (yeah right), and it's .. just... crap.

This privacy thing is bullshit. It was an obvious problem in 2012 and nobody quit over it then. They removed the API in 2015. Why would people quit now?

Re: Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings

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I am getting a bit annoyed by how shocked people on here are about this. The friends end point in the graph API was hardly a secret. It is an open API. There was no way for Facebook to enforce that data collected from authorized apps wasn't being saved. It's part of the reason the friends API was put under tighter restrictions a few years ago.

But you're well-versed in this area already, right? The reason that more people are only shocked now is because no one before reported in a way that was accessible enough to the general public. Journalists on the whole are still better at one thing that techies continue to struggle with - investigative journalism & communication.
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