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YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by lmm »

loudandskittish wrote: post #90
aerotwelve wrote: post #50

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

Frankly, I'm moving back to vinyl. I'm aware that most albums have finally been properly remastered to be in a digital format, eliminating the disparity in sound quality, but I feel like something purely analog with zero possibility of any DRM is more permanent, crazy as that may sound. Plus, Bandcamp is nice. Artists I've discovered through there frequently have a vinyl pressing available, which entitles me to downl…

> I feel like something purely analog with zero possibility of any DRM is more permanent, crazy as that may sound.

Yeah that's crazy. CD (when appropriately mastered) is as good as it gets (unless you're looking to make remixes or something): perfect sound reproduction as far as human ears are concerned, and losslessly copyable. Vinyl you wear away slightly every time you play it.

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Post by PastaMonster »

tyfon wrote: post #81
herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

Unfortunately this is only in the US as many other google programs. I have google music and if I were living in the US I'd have Red included. But it isn't, Red isn't even available. So I make my own red, i.e. see videos with ad-block or youtube-dl. Google really needs to make their stuff global, right now it's extremely US centric.

"extremely US centric" All content services are like this. Even Netflix hides some content from non-Americans.

The common excuse is licensing and copyright. Yet none of these services are actively trying to fix it. They just do not care about non-Americans.

Many other American companies make excuses too. Apparently non-American money is no good. Heck, Microsoft have differing support services. They even actively try and hide the contact information. When you find you figure out quickly they ignore your contact requests. Unless you mention bomb, gun or addresses of their employees families. Oh the creepy things you have to do to get them to do their job. It is vile nasty work indeed.

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Post by ptspts »

lloeki wrote: post #70
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure it would also be more expensive in terms of CPU and potentially disk.

The cost of concatenating two mp4† files is essentially zero. IIRC you can even `cat foo.mp4 bar.mp4 > baz.mp4` and it's supposed to still be valid mp4 (there may be same-codec restrictions, but even resolution can change).

The output of cat isn't valid MP4. The CPU cost of concatenating is small though, it can be done on the fly. Even easier for MP4 streaming (DASH).

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Post by pjmlp »

glogla wrote: post #74
cornholio wrote: post #69

> Cohen, who joined YouTube in 2016 after about 30 years in the record business, including stints as a road manager for Run-DMC and a senior executive at Warner Music Group. I'm not sure he understands yet the culture of the organization he's in, and the way most internet companies work. The fact that Youtube is king of the hill does not mean he's sitting on a monopoly he can milk for revenue. On the Internet, if you…

Not if you're the actual monopoly because of network effects. See youtube, facebook, google, microsoft.

Hi 5, Altavista, Yahoo, Ask Jeeves, ....

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Post by knaik94 »

loudandskittish wrote: post #90
aerotwelve wrote: post #50

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

Frankly, I'm moving back to vinyl. I'm aware that most albums have finally been properly remastered to be in a digital format, eliminating the disparity in sound quality, but I feel like something purely analog with zero possibility of any DRM is more permanent, crazy as that may sound. Plus, Bandcamp is nice. Artists I've discovered through there frequently have a vinyl pressing available, which entitles me to downl…

Have you ever found vinyl sounding different from its CD equivalent due to the equipment you play it on?

The few vinyl rips I have seem to have issues like a high noise floor (hearing the amplified sound of the needle pushing the vinyl during supposed silence, as well as random pops).

I am curious to know if that's seen as a feature and not a bug.

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Post by reificator »

PastaMonster wrote: post #113
tyfon wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately this is only in the US as many other google programs. I have google music and if I were living in the US I'd have Red included. But it isn't, Red isn't even available. So I make my own red, i.e. see videos with ad-block or youtube-dl. Google really needs to make their stuff global, right now it's extremely US centric.

"extremely US centric" All content services are like this. Even Netflix hides some content from non-Americans. The common excuse is licensing and copyright. Yet none of these services are actively trying to fix it. They just do not care about non-Americans. Many other American companies make excuses too. Apparently non-American money is no good. Heck, Microsoft have differing support services. They even actively try…

> The common excuse is licensing and copyright. Yet none of these services are actively trying to fix it. They just do not care about non-Americans.

What do you think initiatives like Netflix Originals are for?

Content owners are trying very hard to squeeze as much as they can without losing all their agreements.

Netflix is ubiquitous so clearly they can be charged more and more until they drop the agreement and a show falls off.

Do you really think Netflix wants anything less than to offer every TV show and movie ever created? That'd be a huge advantage for them.

But every step they take toward that makes it harder to negotiate for more. So they've started making their own content that costs upfront but with no recurring fees.

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Post by crtasm »

icebraining wrote: post #96
notnot3 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uBlock and youtube-dl is the poor mans alternative. But I suppose it will not work so well on a phone.

uBlock works on a phone on Firefox (on Android). There's also NewPipe: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

Newpipe added the ability to subscribe to channels a few months ago. I'm still occasionally finding videos it fails to play but overall a fantastic app.

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Post by SimbaOnSteroids »

askvictor wrote: post #73
imode wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or, or, hear me out... I could use adblock, a free and crowd-sourced adblocker, to... block the ads. YouTube already makes copious amounts of money outside of advertising and Red exclusivity. don't force that kind of an annoyance on people if you expect them to A) use your service or B) not subvert the crap you put in front of them. there is no argument for ads anymore.

What other revenue sources does Youtube have other than ads and Red subscription?

I would assume there is a fair amount of data collection that goes on with YouTube as well.
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