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Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by dang »

nodesocket wrote: post #731
atonse wrote: post #25

How did LIDAR and IR not catch that? That seems like a pretty serious problem. It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. When I argue for automated driving (as a casual observer), I tell people about exactly this sort of stuff (a computer can look in 20 places at t…

You are the same type of person that would have halted the industrial revolution at the first report of a human casualty or injury in a machine.

Please don't cross into personal attack on HN.

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mehrdadn wrote: post #339
blurbleblurble wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be one bit surprised. The antics of this company are well known. This incident has my wondering: of all the companies working on this, why is Uber trusted to be testing this technology?

> I wouldn't be one bit surprised. The antics of this company are well known. I would be surprised under the new CEO.

It wasn't just the CEO who was the problem at Uber.

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by jeremysalwen »

nickez wrote: post #174
osrec wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it could have stopped safely. Assuming it has quicker reactions than a human, stopping distance should be around 18 meters. I think it just completely missed her. Edit: critical typo

8m ?! That sounds completely unreasonable to me. The first google hit says it is more like 33m.. http://www.brakingdistances.com/38Mph

The formulas and online tables are not really accurate for real world modern cars. Example: https://youtu.be/0zbZweqlZPw?t=1m29s finds an empirical stopping distance of 11 meters at 40 mph. Actually closer to 8 mph than 18 mph!

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by TeMPOraL »

itronitron wrote: post #545
blurbleblurble wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be one bit surprised. The antics of this company are well known. This incident has my wondering: of all the companies working on this, why is Uber trusted to be testing this technology?

trusted by _who_ in order to get approval for testing?

Trusted in general. Trusted by people. Trusted by authorities.

I mean, there ought to be the point at which someone says, "this company has a long, consistent, documented history of antisocial behaviour and complete disrespect for law, therefore they shall not be allowed to work on this society-changing and life-critical technology". That this doesn't happen is, I feel, a failure of our society/regulatory apparatus.

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by Gatsky »

cameldrv wrote: post #389

Pathetic and sad performance by the vehicle and "safety" driver. The woman does not "appear out of nowhere", she was in the roadway for some time. The woman was not wearing all black, had red hair, and her shoes were reflective. Even if we are to believe that their camera is this crappy, they still have the lidar, and it appears brakes were not applied. Even 500ms of braking * 0.8g = 9mph. That might have saved her l…

What I don't understand is why the pedestrian didn't see or hear the car. She seems totally oblivious. Surely she would have seen the headlights. It is possible she had some sensory impairment, either visual or auditory.

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by djf1 »

horsecaptin wrote: post #714
dfee wrote: post #696

What no one seems to be talking about is that a person was walking their bike across a divided 4 lane road that in many places would be called a highway. This is not a pedestrian friendly crosswalk, and it’s not high noon. You can tell by the tail lights of the car in front (first second of video) that a pedestrian would be able to see a car coming. Which begs the question - why did the human step out in front of the…

You make an interesting point regarding responsibility. Say that person were: - Mentally deficient. - A child suddenly running because thats what children do. - A blind person making a mistake. There are countries where if a pedestrian is crossing the road anywhere that isn't a designated crossing zone, then they are responsible for their fate. In Canada and the USA, I believe that pedestrians "always" have right of…

In Arizona,

> 28-793. Crossing at other than crosswalk A. A pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles on the roadway.

(https://azbikelaw.org/jaywalking-in-arizona/)

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by tyng »

There is I think a broader legal/philosophical question here:

Are we to judge the car's ability to avoid the pedestrian on human standards or AI/machine standards?

From the video, it looked like this could be a situation where a human driver cannot avoid the accident (due to poor light, not enough reaction time etc) but a machine should be able to avoid it with it having multiple cameras, IR sight, and much faster processing speed.

Greater power comes with greater responsibility?

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