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Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by nodesocket »

atonse wrote: post #25

How did LIDAR and IR not catch that? That seems like a pretty serious problem. It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. When I argue for automated driving (as a casual observer), I tell people about exactly this sort of stuff (a computer can look in 20 places at t…

You are the same type of person that would have halted the industrial revolution at the first report of a human casualty or injury in a machine.

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by hnaccy »

SlowBro wrote: post #669
hnaccy wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think in time it will be shown in time that while machines can make mistakes, they make fewer mistakes than humans. This is religious thinking. >There is a certain amount of fear these events generate, but did you notice that the same level of media coverage was not given for the dozens of similar accidents that happened in the past 24 hours with non-autonomous vehicles? This is a known unethical company testing…

> If you’re a fan of self-driving cars I’m actually not. I’m agnostic about the technology, and I don’t care for Uber either for or against, and am not defending them nor am I interested in attacking them. Just being realistic, looking at the big picture. Realistically speaking, this tech will be improved in time.

>nor am I interested in attacking them.

Why not?

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by 7dare »

jackpirate wrote: post #78
atonse wrote: post #25

How did LIDAR and IR not catch that? That seems like a pretty serious problem. It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. When I argue for automated driving (as a casual observer), I tell people about exactly this sort of stuff (a computer can look in 20 places at t…

It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. That's not at all clear to me. I don't know too much about cameras, but it looks to me like the camera is making the scene appear much darker than it actually is. In the video, you can see many street lights projecting down…

I don't really know how it works in the US or in this state, but in my country, you simply can't drive when it's as dark as the video appears. Either you're not in a city and you can turn your mainbeam headlights on (the blinding ones), or you're in a city and the road is much more lit and the speed limit is 50kph.

With those, the driver would've seen her from a mile away.

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by [deleted] »

jackpirate wrote: post #78
atonse wrote: post #25

How did LIDAR and IR not catch that? That seems like a pretty serious problem. It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. When I argue for automated driving (as a casual observer), I tell people about exactly this sort of stuff (a computer can look in 20 places at t…

It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. That's not at all clear to me. I don't know too much about cameras, but it looks to me like the camera is making the scene appear much darker than it actually is. In the video, you can see many street lights projecting down…

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Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by ihattendorf »

jackpirate wrote: post #78
atonse wrote: post #25

How did LIDAR and IR not catch that? That seems like a pretty serious problem. It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. When I argue for automated driving (as a casual observer), I tell people about exactly this sort of stuff (a computer can look in 20 places at t…

It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. That's not at all clear to me. I don't know too much about cameras, but it looks to me like the camera is making the scene appear much darker than it actually is. In the video, you can see many street lights projecting down…

Yep. I live half a mile away and just drove the same path tonight around 10pm, it's nothing like the video. There are spots that are darker than others, but they don't look nearly as dark. Nowhere on the street looks pitch black, there's ambient light everywhere.

For anyone who's interested, try taking your phone with the camera app open into a dark room and comparing what you see to what's on the screen. Which shows more detail?

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by Steeeve »

steve19 wrote: post #266
fudged71 wrote: post #251

I do wonder if perhaps Uber made the video darker before releasing. Or used a camera that is not the main sensing camera. Because I would hope the cars are smart enough to increase ISO to get more detail at night time.

I don't think Uber are stupid enough to doctor evidence before handing it to police.

Maybe not. Perfectly within their wheelhouse to provide the one video or version of video that makes them look best.

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Post by gowld »

dfee wrote: post #696

What no one seems to be talking about is that a person was walking their bike across a divided 4 lane road that in many places would be called a highway. This is not a pedestrian friendly crosswalk, and it’s not high noon. You can tell by the tail lights of the car in front (first second of video) that a pedestrian would be able to see a car coming. Which begs the question - why did the human step out in front of the…

> This is not a pedestrian friendly crosswalk,

Indeed.

So, IYTM "why was there no stoplight to provide a safe crossing?"

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Post by Steeeve »

buvanshak wrote: post #483
jeffmould wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to agree. Just like a normal camera has issues in low-light, it is clear that this camera is diminishing exactly how light the road ahead was. While I can't say confidently that I would have been able to stop to prevent hitting them, watching the video in full screen does lead me to believe that I would have seen them and been able to apply the brakes at least enough to reduce the impact. Also, watching the vi…

> clear the driver was looking at his phone or doing something ... Seriously, what else can you expect. These companies who do put these things on the road with the justification that "There is a human behind the wheel" should be taken out back and shot in the head...Just pull the plug. No more self driving cars for them. Those are just the kind of tech companies we don't want around... See, it is not a mistake that…

> Seriously, what else can you expect.

I see waymo drivers all the time actively paying attention to the road.

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by mdavidn »

horsecaptin wrote: post #714
dfee wrote: post #696

What no one seems to be talking about is that a person was walking their bike across a divided 4 lane road that in many places would be called a highway. This is not a pedestrian friendly crosswalk, and it’s not high noon. You can tell by the tail lights of the car in front (first second of video) that a pedestrian would be able to see a car coming. Which begs the question - why did the human step out in front of the…

You make an interesting point regarding responsibility. Say that person were: - Mentally deficient. - A child suddenly running because thats what children do. - A blind person making a mistake. There are countries where if a pedestrian is crossing the road anywhere that isn't a designated crossing zone, then they are responsible for their fate. In Canada and the USA, I believe that pedestrians "always" have right of…

Pedestrians do not always have the right of way.

However, drivers must avoid collisions with pedestrians, even when the vehicle has right of way.

Here's the relevant vehicle code in Arizona: https://www.azleg.gov/ars/28/00793.htm https://www.azleg.gov/ars/28/00794.htm

Re: Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident

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Post by wolfd »

dwighttk wrote: post #562
walrus01 wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This looks to me like it came from a $30 dash cam, not the car's main visual spectrum camera sensor.

interior view has better night vision than exterior...

Because it can project some IR light into the car. That wouldn't work for the forward view.
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