Not sure if offtopic but how does Facebook make money? They talk about micro targetting me but, while I click often on adword ads because they know me, I have literally 0 times seen any interesting or a even remotely relevant ad on facebook? They know everything about me... I did an advertising engine for a big datingsite long ago which was stupid as mud but got vastly superior ads for for my demographic based on the data the site had about me than facebook has ever shown me. So am I just ‘unlucky’ or am I missing something?
Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
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Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your response only talks about 2008. The 2012 campaign admitted that it sucked data out of facebook. 'The entire social network' in the united states. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1129&v=LGiiQUMaS... "They came to office in the days following election recruiting & were very candid that they allowed us to do things they wouldn’t have allowed someone else to do because they were on our side." https://twi…
So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained, combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power, and used the user data to spread disinformation and lies about US politics? Is that what you're saying? Because otherwise, the two cases are completely different.
> So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained
By a campaign staffer’s admission, Facebook personally told them that what they were doing was not OK so... yes?
> combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power
Is this a new talking point? Russia financed the Trump campaign now?
Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained, combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power, and used the user data to spread disinformation and lies about US politics? Is that what you're saying? Because otherwise, the two cases are completely different.
>combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power If you can prove it, Mueller is all ears.
Alright, while we wait for physical evidence to be public, I will take the assumption that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is probably a duck.
With so many Russians already indicted over this and clear money flows recorded from investigative journalism, I think it is quite clear what happened with foreign funds being used from Russia -> NRA, Trump orgs, etc prior to, during and after the election.
Edit: I have been banned again from replying to HN comments, I do not understand why but I guess it has to do with a lot of people downvoting me quickly. I don't know. Anyway, here is my reply to the comment below.
> CNN
I don't understand what the entertainment company CNN is doing in this conversation. They have nothing to do with this?
> FUD
I am not spreading FUD. I am merely talking about recent news articles in the New York Times and Washington Post. I'm not sure what you mean by FUD here, but surely if there is FUD about it is the FUD that Trump is the legitimate president and that no outsiders or illegal actors had any influence on democracy in the last number of years. That would be the real FUD of the situation.
Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
#64Facebook is an addiction for several billion humans. It is in itself a quagmire, but is not going to go away any time soon.
And the business of making money off profiling private behavior online, for commercial or other purposes, is not specifically a Facebook thing, it is ingrained into the backbone of the internet itself. It won't go away any time soon.
Facebook will of course be responsive to demands by the joint forces of tax-revenue collecting agencies + old media (who are seeing their business models dissipate into the pockets of Facebook, Google and a few more), and so we'll probably see some adjustments which will try to satisfy them; less tax-havens and a trickle of the revenue stream back to the original news creators.
But nothing drastic.
Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm struggling to understand why people keep bringing up the Obama comparison. At the start of the 2016 elections everyone , Sanders, Clinton, Jeb!, Trump were doing what Obama did in 2012. The outrage isn't soley in the fact that the CA campaign used FB data. 1. CA obtained the data illicitly and tried to cover up the fact they had used it, and downplay how many users they had reached. 2. CA used the data to intenti…
Do you really think most of the outraged public understand the nuanced differences between the two? The reason the public is outraged is because of an engineered campaign by Trump's enemies.
Just wondering... If there are differences, which you concede, then maybe it's those differences and not "an engineered campaign by Trump's enemies" driving the difference in outrage?
Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A
Maybe I missed the part in that video where he says they pulled private user data? If Trump generated his own social graph, I don't think there would be outrage.. instead they've got something worse than a breach on their hands. It's apples and oranges.
They got the whole thing.
Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
So Obama's campaign violated the Facebook terms of service and illegally used the data they obtained, combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power, and used the user data to spread disinformation and lies about US politics? Is that what you're saying? Because otherwise, the two cases are completely different.
>combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power If you can prove it, Mueller is all ears.
Seriously, do you think Mueller is immediately publicizing every finding? Do you not see the pattern of indictments?
Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a damage control talking point, see Wikileaks (which at this point is basically a Russian propaganda mouthpiece) immediately suggesting it.
Yep, it's also a known tactic for deflection: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
...by using the latest, greatest new term to shut down debate and avoid addressing the concept of being intellectually honest.
Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
#69He should resign. Or this bullshit will keep repeating. As it already has too many times.
Tech/Engineering folk are totally unfit to run social companies of the scale of YouTube/twitter/facebook etc. They don't have the skills or the experience or the sense in handling this stuff.
They know how to scale things and that's where their expertise ends and contribution should end.
They should be run by elected politicians with an advisory board filled with people who understand sociology, psychology, religion, culture, law and security. Those are the people who keep society running not the fucking plumbers.
Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
>combined with funds illegally collected from a hostile foreign power If you can prove it, Mueller is all ears.
Alright, while we wait for physical evidence to be public, I will take the assumption that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is probably a duck. With so many Russians already indicted over this and clear money flows recorded from investigative journalism, I think it is quite clear what happened with foreign funds being used from Russia -> NRA, Trump orgs, etc prior to, during and after the election. Ed…
Exuse me sir, but this approach is well known as "Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt", or FUD in short.
It definitely works, meaning it shifts the public opinion, and quite effectively so, but I would rather examine the facts and form my own opinion after such examination. If I ever want to go to the second step without first one, I can always watch some CNN.