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Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

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post #225

This is such a well crafted statement not from Zuck's heart but from a PR team that has been working over time. Shame on you FB and Zuck you Suck. If they are so honest or like to be honest going forward why can't they make it easy to see all my pics and posts that are public? Why can't they make it easy to see who can see what I posted? Which app or user is using my data. They have billions of dollars and can't impl…

A better question is, why aren't you using a decentralized, open-source alternative to Facebook today?

Because none of my friends use them.

Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

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post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UI could be a web page, mobile app, etc just like FB.com. But to see any user data you would actually have to be authorized as that specific user. I.E. a developer could test their app by logging in with their own FB account and using their own data but would have no capability to look at the raw DB entries of other users. Or perhaps their could be a limited capability for developers to log in to their app as ano…

Hm, the catch here is something like this could happen: +--------------+ +----------+ +--------------+ | | | | | | | other server | | Server | | other server | | | | | | | +-------+------+ +----+-----+ +-------+------+ ^ | ^ | | | | http request | | containing user | | data for UI | http request made | rouge http request with a legit purpose | sending the user data say fetching assets v to some other server | +------…

What tool did you use to make that schema?

Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

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post #39

The trusting developers not to sell any data but putting zero safeguards in place to prevent this and extremely punitive repercussions despite being repeatedly told by the public, media, and even high level employees tells me Facebook can't plead ignorance to this and they not only knew this was happening, but they probably intended for it to happen. They knew it was illegal but put all the incentives for companies n…

> That's the only hole in his statement.

What about the punishment to Christopher Wylie, by closing/suspending his accounts in facebook, whatsapp, etc ?

Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

#294
post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UI could be a web page, mobile app, etc just like FB.com. But to see any user data you would actually have to be authorized as that specific user. I.E. a developer could test their app by logging in with their own FB account and using their own data but would have no capability to look at the raw DB entries of other users. Or perhaps their could be a limited capability for developers to log in to their app as ano…

Hm, the catch here is something like this could happen: +--------------+ +----------+ +--------------+ | | | | | | | other server | | Server | | other server | | | | | | | +-------+------+ +----+-----+ +-------+------+ ^ | ^ | | | | http request | | containing user | | data for UI | http request made | rouge http request with a legit purpose | sending the user data say fetching assets v to some other server | +------…

I guess you could let the mobile app access third-party servers but require all traffic to go through a proxy where Facebook can examine it. (Either by letting Facebook handle all the encryption or giving Facebook a copy of the key.)

All of this tends to trade one problem for another, though: the user no longer has to worry that the third-party app has access to their Facebook data. But now the user has to worry that Facebook has access to their third-party app data.

Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

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> First, we will investigate all apps that had access to large amounts of information before we changed our platform to dramatically reduce data access in 2014, and we will conduct a full audit of any app with suspicious activity.

I am skeptical of Facebook's ability "guarantee" that a third party developer has not cached any data. I would equate this to finding all N needles in a haystack of size M where M >> N; it's just not a feasible task to complete. Even if you find N-1 needles, the last needle can be used as a sort of "mold" to reproduce all N-1 needles. My "golden rule" for the internet is: Once you give up information, assume it's everywhere and impossible to rescind.

I believe this statement will be eaten up by the press, and Facebook will continue to carry on its operations as if nothing happened. The stock will probably recover, and we'll go back to square one. Give it a few weeks.

The true demise of Facebook requires several things to happen simultaneously; a resonance of perfect conditions, so to speak. You've probably heard that Einstein and Newton discovered their theories because "they were decently smart men in the right place at the right time". A similar effect is also true here. If we want to see Facebook's demise, the world must have a suitable alternative in place, one which already has a critical mass. Until then, Facebook has a monopoly on attention and they will keep it as long as they are producing enough positive externality.

Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

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This is such a well crafted statement not from Zuck's heart but from a PR team that has been working over time. Shame on you FB and Zuck you Suck. If they are so honest or like to be honest going forward why can't they make it easy to see all my pics and posts that are public? Why can't they make it easy to see who can see what I posted? Which app or user is using my data. They have billions of dollars and can't impl…

Robert Scoble is a sexual predator. I would not be surprised if he also allows companies to pay for him to have a positive opinion, he is an immoral creep.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/20/robert-scoble-has-allegedl...

Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

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I just don't get it. I don't get the enormous backlash over this. Users give away their data to a company, the company sells that data to advertisers (or sells ads and targets the ads according to data), and the users can continue using the service they enjoy for free. This was the contract you agreed to when you clicked the sign up button. I don't get why people are mad at Zuckerberg and not themselves! People act like a company is supposed offer their services for free. The free services is the business model of the internet. You want to use Google Docs for free, fine they'll collect data on what you make. You want to play games for free, fine they'll display ads to you. You want to catch up with old friends, fine they'll collect data on your interests. No one is forcing Facebook users to use Facebook. You know they're collecting data on you. If you don't want them to, then don't use their "platform."

Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

#298

This is such a well crafted statement not from Zuck's heart but from a PR team that has been working over time. Shame on you FB and Zuck you Suck. If they are so honest or like to be honest going forward why can't they make it easy to see all my pics and posts that are public? Why can't they make it easy to see who can see what I posted? Which app or user is using my data. They have billions of dollars and can't impl…

> If they are so honest or like to be honest going forward why can't they make it easy to see all my pics and posts that are public? Why can't they make it easy to see who can see what I posted? Which app or user is using my data. They have billions of dollars and can't implement simple features?

You can do all of that... trivially. As you say, those are simple features. Ones they implemented years ago. Perhaps you should be more specific about what you're asking for?

Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

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1000 word statement. Number of times the word "advertising" was mentioned: 0 Facebook continues to pretend it's business model is unicorns and kittens, not selling user data for money.

Who doesn't know Facebook sells targeted ads?

People outside of the tech world, in general, do not really know what the "targeted" in targeted ads means though. They think advertising, they think ads in the NYT or on TV. People do "know", but unless you really think about it, or understand how it works, its invasiveness can be easily overlooked.

Re: Zuckerberg on Cambridge Analytica situation

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What is the problem? 50 millions people voluntarily published information about them on the Internet and now they have complaints about someone using it? Don't use Facebook them.

And Facebook is not that bad. You can use Facebook with a fake name and without a phone number. But for example in Russia social network sites require a phone number to register. They have much more to leak.

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