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Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by lowkeyokay »

azinman2 wrote: post #316
justboxing wrote: post #38

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> We've knows Facebook tracks everything Not disputing this, but when you say 'we' I think you mean the The rest 95% either don't know, or could care less even if they know. I've told my non-techie fam and friends about data harvesting, privacy, and how facebook tracks everything, only to be ignored or outright ridiculed ("Oh you techies are so paranoid"). Many of my friends in India (where I was raised) and elsewher…

They’re starting to. They just need enough examples of something having gone wrong with huge consequences. This is one of them.

And this would be the time to revisit John Oliver’s Snowden interview [1]. Specifically at 25:53. Since the topic is surveillance it may be inappropriate to link YouTube. If you haven’t seen it and don’t want to, the gist is people only care when their dickpics gets leaked...

[1] https://youtu.be/XEVlyP4_11M

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Post by mrtksn »

robinwassen wrote: post #349
mrtksn wrote: post #333

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>The outleash regarding collecting personal data for election fiddling started with Trump and Brexit Definitely false, Apple even built business model around it and actively promoting it's privacy as a selling point over Android. But surely Trump amplified it because, unlike Obama, he is very divisive. Anyway, if you happen to have a time machine I will happily jump in with you and go back in time and warn against th…

To clarify, the general public outlash started after Trump and Brexit. I reacted back in 2012 to the fact that Obama's campaign bragged openly about doing same thing. Back then the problem statement was a bit newer to me, I guess I was a bit more sensitive to back then. The few articles back then praised them about this. Disclosure: I don't really mind that Trump became president or that UK decided to leave EU - woul…

Look, using data to target audience is nothing new. That's the promise of... everyone in marketing? Does Nielsen ring any bells?

"Obama and Trump both used user data" is equal to "Reddit and Hacker News are the same, both use upvotes".

The way that data is used is what all matters. The risk is to hoard and distribute data, the disaster is to use that data to manipulate the population to do something horrible(I'm not necessarily saying that Trump is horrible but there are many people who see it that way).

And...

>To clarify, the general public outlash started after Trump and Brexit.

You'll need to prove that one because we had multiple products and a giant corporation(Apple) targeting privacy cautious audience before all this happened.

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Post by dominostars »

greecejunkie wrote: post #290
throwaway5752 wrote: post #278

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Not really, it's common knowledge. There are a pile of dead Russians ex-IC people all over Europe, the existing Mueller indictments, the Crowdstrike DNC Russian APT attributions, all of our own lying eyes...

Funny, I must have missed the Mueller indictments relating to collusion or coordination of any kind (it's coming any day now, though, right?). I've seen a number of process charges. I've seen a handful of Russians charged with, essentially, social media ads and trolling and setting up a Michael Moore rally in NYC. And, of course, Manafort, who is dirty AF (right up there with the Podestas, the Clintons and the rest),…

> And, of course, Manafort, who is dirty AF (right up there with the Podestas, the Clintons and the rest), but nothing relating to the Trump campaign.

Manafort served as Trump's Campaign manager from June 2016 to August 2016, but I guess that has nothing to do with Trump's Campaign.

Created an account to attempt to derail this conversation into being about Seth Rich and Hillary Clinton. lol.

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Post by gaius »

sgustard wrote: post #270
ramphastidae wrote: post #51

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Yep. I’ve been explaining this stuff to friends for years. Even the most intelligent and rational dismiss it as paranoia or say, “I don’t care, I have nothing to hide anyway.”

I probably have things to hide, but: I ignore ads. I don't click on political news. I pretty much ignore everything except my friends' vacation photos. Please tell me in concrete terms a specific downside to staying on Facebook. What's the non-tinfoil hat scenario that I am naively ignoring? Wake up and my bank account is drained, or what?

I ignore ads. I don't click on political news.

You don't have to click it. For example I have zero interest in celebrities or reality TV, I've never clicked a link or read an article about them. Yet even I know who Kanye Kardashian is, and that he's married to (or is? * ) a woman with an enormous backside. it's pervasive, it becomes part of the background and what you consider "normal". I absolutely guarantee that despite never having clicked a link about Trump, just having that link there and seeing the headline, will have influenced you, same as it would anyone.

* No don't tell me, I don't care

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Post by DarkCrusader2 »

Instead of requiring Facebook and google to improve their ways, if we all started using ad-blockers more aggressively, setting up things like pihole for our family members and friends, wouldn't this solve the problem since companies won't have any incentive of collecting the data? It seems to me to be a much better idea that expecting multi-billion corporations to act against their interests.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

Random comment but I see so many people talking about regulation. Why do we want to hold the wolf by the ears here, continuing to use a service that doesn’t respect us while trying to force them to act like they do, when instead we could be advocating the use of user friendly services that truly respect our freedom? Why if Facebook has proven to be focused on things we don’t want (deep profiling), would you think any regulation (from politicians who are seemingly all bought by campaign donations) would somehow redeem Facebook?

For those advocating regulation, why do you advocate that over the development of services that genuinely respect user freedom?

Thanks all who comment thoughtfully.

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Post by jodrellblank »

walrus01 wrote: post #265
SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #173

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The true data apocalypse will come when ISP logs are compromised and leaked (urls visited, dns lookups, tied to ip or even subscriber ids, etc), and there is enough leaked PII floating it out there to join it to people records.

With the exception of big evil things like Comcast, you might be surprised how few ISPs keep detailed logs like this. The effort to correlate them with customers is generally not worth it unless you get a subpoena, and only then is it done manually.

(UK) The new surveillance law requires web and phone companies to store everyone’s web browsing histories for 12 months and give the police, security services and official agencies unprecedented access to the data.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/29/snoopers-chart...

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Post by bla2 »

propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

Old Media ist publishing negative articles about tech at any chance they have, due to them losing all their advertising dollars to online ads. It's just that this time the message finds some traction.

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Post by dorgo »

mysterypie wrote: post #89
walrus01 wrote: post #49

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> The rest 95% either don't know, or could care less even if they know. I've told my non-techie fam and friends about data harvesting, privacy, and how facebook tracks everything, only to be ignored or outright ridiculed ("Oh you techies are so paranoid"). pretty much exactly my experience with Canadian and American family. People didn't give one iota of a fuck when the Snowden revelations came out because they just…

> People didn't give one iota of a fuck when the Snowden revelations came out because they just assumed that it was the case already. It's more complex than that. The tracking and surveillance are not visible to the average person. Point your camera at someone in a coffee shop or bar and take their picture. They'll be coming over to ask you why you took their photo. The fact that the coffee shop or bar is brimming wi…

>when they can look up all the personal info and private pics of themselves and their neighbors and friends on some public webserver.

I always thought this webserver is called "facebook", isn't it?

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