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Post by will4274 »

specialist wrote: post #233
fareesh wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The winning candidate spent significantly less money in this instance. Also I tend to agree with Citizens United. Unions and Corporations should be allowed to express their views on a candidate. If there is someone running for office and making a BS claim about steel workers, I would want steelworkers unions to have the right to advertise and inform me that it is BS. Also if you get into issue based stuff, it becomes…

Trump received billions in free advertising in the form of “earned media”. I don’t know if one could even account for all the third party spending. Money is not speech, corporations are not people. Any one who cares about free speech would advocate for restoring the Fairness Doctrine, so we know that angle is just rhetoric.

> Money is not speech

What does this even mean? It costs money to put advertisements in mass media. Either you believe everybody should be able to do that, or you believe that only some people should be able to address the public at large.

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Post by mrtksn »

jiggliemon wrote: post #87

All of this Facebook hubub and broad public outcry is really all owed to the election of Trump. If Trump handnt leveraged CA, we’d still all be happy and fat on out individual bliss boxes – patting ourselves on the back – because our side [a la Obama] was smart enough to use this technology to our advantage. Now when the enemy has (and use) the same technology, we’re forced to cry foul. Demand oversight. Demand regul…

Are you sure about that? People were not happy with Wikileaks revelations and Obama was forced to end or strip down some NSA programs.

Also, your whole argument says “People are not happy with what’s going on only because they are facing the consequences of it”.

Duh?

It was never easy to explain why privacy matters, the argument that if you are not doing anything bad then you don’t have anything to hide was good enough for many.

Now, things are different. We have demonstrable implications of the privacy violations.

I think it’s not a Trump thing, if Hillary was the smarter one to use computational propaganda we would probably still have an expose considering that the population of Democrats and Republicans are roughly the same and all have been done by a state funded British TV anyway.

I don’t think that you’re claiming victimhood rightfully. The privacy discussions didn’t start with Trump.

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Post by harryf »

amrx101 wrote: post #304
justboxing wrote: post #38

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> We've knows Facebook tracks everything Not disputing this, but when you say 'we' I think you mean the The rest 95% either don't know, or could care less even if they know. I've told my non-techie fam and friends about data harvesting, privacy, and how facebook tracks everything, only to be ignored or outright ridiculed ("Oh you techies are so paranoid"). Many of my friends in India (where I was raised) and elsewher…

People are fucking okay with their data being in public. They even fucking post any slight event in their lives.

Facebook exploits "bugs" in the human psyche, such as our need to avoid feeling lonely (by sharing intimate details of our life) is far more compelling than any abstract fear of "big brother". That is until big brother is Donald Trump, then suddenly the fear is no longer abstract.

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Post by azinman2 »

tarunkotia wrote: post #301
jiggliemon wrote: post #87

All of this Facebook hubub and broad public outcry is really all owed to the election of Trump. If Trump handnt leveraged CA, we’d still all be happy and fat on out individual bliss boxes – patting ourselves on the back – because our side [a la Obama] was smart enough to use this technology to our advantage. Now when the enemy has (and use) the same technology, we’re forced to cry foul. Demand oversight. Demand regul…

With all due respect, I think you are missing the point altogether. Tools are created for most part with good intentions. What you do with those tools is what separates good from bad. Obama used the same tools to inspire a generation. Deeper penetration of technology is inevitable and there will continue to be bad actors who will exploit those tools to their benefit. Unfortunately, the negative narrative won over inp…

But he didn’t use the same tools. Obama had people via an app that was a campaign app, so people understood what they were installing. CA took a psychological test admin’d over mechanical turk, expanded it to people beyond those they paid, and ran with that. No one knew it had a political purpose.

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Post by thewhitetulip »

jiggliemon wrote: post #87

All of this Facebook hubub and broad public outcry is really all owed to the election of Trump. If Trump handnt leveraged CA, we’d still all be happy and fat on out individual bliss boxes – patting ourselves on the back – because our side [a la Obama] was smart enough to use this technology to our advantage. Now when the enemy has (and use) the same technology, we’re forced to cry foul. Demand oversight. Demand regul…

Exactly. The sad thing is that Indians are still oblivious or in denial about such tactics being used by our PM.

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Post by azinman2 »

justboxing wrote: post #38
propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

> We've knows Facebook tracks everything Not disputing this, but when you say 'we' I think you mean the The rest 95% either don't know, or could care less even if they know. I've told my non-techie fam and friends about data harvesting, privacy, and how facebook tracks everything, only to be ignored or outright ridiculed ("Oh you techies are so paranoid"). Many of my friends in India (where I was raised) and elsewher…

They’re starting to. They just need enough examples of something having gone wrong with huge consequences. This is one of them.

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Post by will4274 »

culturestate wrote: post #128
cabaalis wrote: post #104

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"In 2012, the Obama campaign encouraged supporters to download an Obama 2012 Facebook app that, when activated, let the campaign collect Facebook data both on users and their friends." [0] The only real difference between what was done here and then was how it was represented to the users. [0]: https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-...

> The only real difference between what was done here and then was how it was represented to the users. That is an incredibly important distinction. There is a vast gulf between "these people asked for my data and I consented to its use" and "these people surreptitiously collected my data for purposes other than those which they disclosed."

> "these people surreptitiously collected my data for purposes other than those which they disclosed."

They didn't collect it surreptitiously. They collected it openly, for purposes other than those which they disclosed. Which is an unethical but not uncommon, unfortunately.

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Post by ghthor »

matthewwiese wrote: post #247
forkwhilefork wrote: post #223

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Who the hell are you to talk about Trump voters being conned or voting without critical thinking? You have no idea why people voted for him.

I believe you missed my point. Those that cry foul over those targeted Facebook ads also fail to realize that people were still willing to drink the Kool-Aid. Of course, it would be asinine to paint with broad strokes. But one can't disregard that it takes two to tango in exchanges of ideas and information. Edit: my horrendous spelling

You're implying that we all were conned, yet I'm still a happy supporter of Trump and will continue to be, yet here I am not a redneck, extremely tolerant, not a racist, incredibly kind, etc. Maybe you've been conned on who a Trump supporter is.

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Post by ghthor »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #286

I find it very hypocritical of all these people who already have vested their shares in Facebook coming out and criticizing the company. As someone else mentioned on this thread, this is the guy who contributed to the concentration of all things social into Facebook by selling Whatsapp. I'm pretty sure most people are not fond of Facebook basically monopolizing people's private data and monetizing, but you don't get…

Financial independence is more important. Once you attain that you can seriously fight back, it's about picking your battles. With the money he made in the sell he can do some SERIOUS investment into what he believe's in that's going to create magnitudes more mass in the direction he wants to go then piddling around without it. FI should be everyone's primary goal, because only then can you put your effort to what you truly believe in and be able to back it up no matter what.
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