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Ask HN: Is 2018 the end of Facebook?

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Re: Ask HN: Is 2018 the end of Facebook?

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I don't think that will help. The problem isn't Facebook. The problem is us . People. Humans. We're too prone to addictive behaviors. We're too prone to believe what we want to believe. And at least some of us are too willing to exploit a medium to manipulate the behavior of others. A non-profit won't change any of that. People will still become addicted to it; it will still propagate fake news; and people will still…

Sure, human nature won't change. But when the incentives are aligned differently, the overall behavior of such a system could indeed affect humans differently. Right now, the goal is eyeballs glued to the page, and thus the algorithms deep down find the most clicky/sticky things to put in front of your eyes. If the goals were different, such a network might instead encourage different behaviors, like actually not usi…

True enough. And if it's less addictive, so people are on it less, then maybe there is less incentive for people to try to exploit it to manipulate users...

Re: Ask HN: Is 2018 the end of Facebook?

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I keep thinking about this article[1] whenever I see bad press about FB lately. Relevant portion: "Murdoch hosted Zuckerberg at his Sun Valley, Idaho, villa and expressed discontent with Facebook's News Feed algorithm and its handling of news. He requested Facebook consult publishing partners and be more generous sharing digital ad revenue, or he vowed, News Corp executives would take their dislike of Facebook public…

Or what? He’ll buy MySpace and outcompete Facebook? Lol! Oh wait...

When it’s your business on the line, disrespecting Rupert Murdoch’s policial clout is a mistake you make once.

Re: Ask HN: Is 2018 the end of Facebook?

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I literally don't know anyone who uses Whatsapp, only Messenger. These things are very different across the world.

Whatsapp is the market leader in mobile (and desktop) IM in LATAM & EU. YMMV but I would go with ~75-80%

Do they have more granular data? I guess they're more prevalent in Western Europe (I read about people from Spain or Italy being all on).

Re: Ask HN: Is 2018 the end of Facebook?

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post #102

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Or what? He’ll buy MySpace and outcompete Facebook? Lol! Oh wait...

When it’s your business on the line, disrespecting Rupert Murdoch’s policial clout is a mistake you make once.

This is Facebook we’re talking about, not some mom and pop shop vulnerable to “bad press.” I really don’t see what sort of legitimate threat Murdoch could pose to Facebook outside of any threats they already face on a daily basis. If the threat of Murdoch “going public” with his feelings on Facebook were sufficient to threaten its very existence, Facebook would have gone out of business a long time ago.

And the point of my tongue-in-cheek comment was that Murdoch did buy MySpace, and utterly failed to compete with Facebook, or even to grow what little traffic MySpace had before he bought it.

Re: Ask HN: Is 2018 the end of Facebook?

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No. I think you're overestimating how much bad press Facebook is actually getting outside the tech bubble. Facebook is going to get done in by the fact that the younger generation doesn't like it, but that process has been underway for a few years now, and it will take many more years to complete (obviously offering Zuckerberg many chances to turn the ship around).

> Facebook is going to get done in by the fact that the younger generation doesn't like it All the younger generation I know are big users of Instagram and WhatsApp - both FB properties.

Around here most of my friends have moved from WhatsApp to Telegram after Facebook aquired WhatsApp.

Instagram is fairly popular as well but WhatsApp never really went mainstream.

Re: Ask HN: Is 2018 the end of Facebook?

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A lot of people may be less and less interested in Facebook "the social network", but a lot of them are still using Messenger, WhatsApp and Instagram, so FB is still huge and dominant in the social sphere.

True enough, but how much revenue is FB bringing in on these platforms? These platforms all have alternatives and aren't exactly sticky. If FB turns the screws to increase ROI, customers are going to leave.

I guess FB has the advantage of being nearly ubiquitous in some countries. With the amount of information they collect on their users, I bet they won't have trouble monetizing their platforms in time. Some companies are already using Messenger to interact with their customers. Frank & Oak is an example. There's also WhatsApp for business.

Re: Ask HN: Is 2018 the end of Facebook?

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> Facebook is going to get done in by the fact that the younger generation doesn't like it All the younger generation I know are big users of Instagram and WhatsApp - both FB properties.

I literally don't know anyone who uses Whatsapp, only Messenger. These things are very different across the world.

WhatsApp absolutely dominates SEA too.

Re: Ask HN: Is 2018 the end of Facebook?

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> Facebook is going to get done in by the fact that the younger generation doesn't like it All the younger generation I know are big users of Instagram and WhatsApp - both FB properties.

I literally don't know anyone who uses Whatsapp, only Messenger. These things are very different across the world.

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