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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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To ensure that all automotive software incorporates lessons learned from such fatalities, it would be beneficial to develop a common data set of (mostly synthetic) data replicating accident and 'near miss' scenarios.

As we understand more about the risks associated with autonomous driving, we should expand and enrich this data-set, and to ensure public safety, testing against such a dataset should be part of NHTSA / Euro NCAP testing.

I.e. NHTSA and Euro NCAP should start getting into the business of software testing.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#52
Situations no self-driving car can avoid:

  - philosophical dilemma
  - physics-constrained reaction times
  - actions that violate the rules of the system
Solutions:

  - protected car lanes
  - protected bike lanes
  - protected pedestrian lanes
Reasons why these solutions are not put in place:

  - cost
Until humans determine that the cost of human life is higher than the cost of upgrading infrastructure, we should accept human death as a regular part of autonomous driving, just the same as we do for non-autonomous driving. 37k dead people every year in the US due to human drivers.

Top reasons for auto accidents today include inclement weather, reckless driving, speeding, driving under the influence, and distracted driving. In theory, most of those could be solved by autonomous driving. But then the list of reasons for accidents would change to whatever new reasons cause autonomous car accidents, such as damaged sensors, programming errors, equipment failure, road hazards, etc.

Even with autonomous cars, we will still need protected lanes, and we will still never implement them, because we don't really care when people we don't know die.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#53
post #3

On purpose to protect something "more valuable," or on accident?

There's an old saying around gun owners: "There's no such thing as a firearms accident. Only negligence." I think the same thing applies to autonomous things.

In NYC the urbanists have a trend of saying "crash" instead of "accident" when referring to traffic collisions. They feel that "accident" gives the driver too much credit in situations where they were completely at fault for not looking, going too fast, running a light, etc.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#54
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FTA: "The Uber vehicle was reportedly driving early Monday when a woman walking outside of the crosswalk was struck. ... Tempe Police says the vehicle was in autonomous mode at the time of the crash and a vehicle operator was also behind the wheel." That's a very bad look; the whole point of self-driving cars is that they can react to unexpected circumstances much more quickly than a human operator, such as when some…

They will have video for sure if since they are testing, then we will see. Your statement about reaction time is assuming so many things, may as well declare the AI guilty now right?

It's not "intelligent", it's a dumb computer that is programmed by humans. The people responsible for putting it on the road must be liable.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#55

Striking a pedestrian in a crosswalk is horrible and terrible news. The reality though is how many pedestrians are hit by manual driver's vs automous drivers? On a percentage basis I gotta believe autonomous cars are orders of magnitude safer. Self driving cars aren't going to be perfect. How many people lost their lives in early factories to machines during the industral revolution? Imagine if they had pulled the pl…

>The reality though is how many pedestrians are hit by manual driver's vs automous drivers? On a percentage basis I gotta believe autonomous cars are orders of magnitude safer.

That might be a fair question, except that one death at this early stage of limited realistic trials makes me doubt the correctness of your belief. On the statistics that we have right now, I'm not seeing how autonomous cars are safer.

>Self driving cars aren't going to be perfect.

Shouldn't self-driving cars be held to a better standard rather than compared generously to objectively terrible existing standards? That we think of pedestrians regularly killed in "accidents" as acceptable collateral is already pretty horrific.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#56

Striking a pedestrian in a crosswalk is horrible and terrible news. The reality though is how many pedestrians are hit by manual driver's vs automous drivers? On a percentage basis I gotta believe autonomous cars are orders of magnitude safer. Self driving cars aren't going to be perfect. How many people lost their lives in early factories to machines during the industral revolution? Imagine if they had pulled the pl…

Our society has evolved quite a bit from the times of the Industrial Revolution. It’s possible for progress to be made while having life-saving regulations.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#57
post #6

Uber's self-driving program seems to be one of the most unethical, most poorly-run in the entire industry. There were plenty of reports before warning us of the questionable quality of their research: cars changing lanes suddenly, blowing red lights, and now one finally killed someone. Every prior incident should have been treated as a serious matter. Waymo et al has had none of these issues. Time to revoke their lic…

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Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#58

Striking a pedestrian in a crosswalk is horrible and terrible news. The reality though is how many pedestrians are hit by manual driver's vs automous drivers? On a percentage basis I gotta believe autonomous cars are orders of magnitude safer. Self driving cars aren't going to be perfect. How many people lost their lives in early factories to machines during the industral revolution? Imagine if they had pulled the pl…

Doesn't mitigate the tragedy or implications for autonomy, but per the article, the pedestrian was outside the crosswalk.

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Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#60

Not to be the guy who says "I TOLD YOU SO" but it had to happen at some point, sadly & unfortunately - if this is the first (known) case of A.I. controlled cars killing humans, the number of casualties can only grow from now onwards

> if this is the first (known) case of A.I. controlled cars killing humans, the number of casualties can only grow from now onwards

This is how counting works.

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