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Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

noobermin wrote: post #49
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #25

It's too easy for this information to get out. There's basically no penalty, you just use as you want and year's late facebook cuts you off? So you start a new company, owned by a new llc, get the lawyers to sign the 'i am not evil' doc and repeat. There's no way this will have any impact until there are criminal citations on the people involved. In this case, because it's the us, there's not going to be anything cri…

I don't know if it really is in fb's best interest to sue them. It might in fact be in their interest to allow the players to come back because that would benefit their bottom line.

Eventually fb will suffer enough about this kind of stuff that it will hurt their rep. I hope.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by SamReidHughes »

stevenwoo wrote: post #27
colordrops wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I wonder is why Israel is so ignored when they have orders of magnitude more money and influence in Washington than Russia. One of the top lobbyists in the US is AIPAC, giving money directly to politicians. The hypocrisy is absurd.

This is slightly OT, but they registered as lobbyists and we know where the money comes from - US citizens. Not that I agree with their message, but we have made this type of bribery legal in the USA.

How is lobbying bribery?

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by username223 »

aslkdjaslkdj wrote: post #48

Story from March 2017 about this: https://theintercept.com/2017/03/30/facebook-failed-to-prote... >In late 2015, the turkers began reporting that the Global Science Research survey had abruptly shut down. The Guardian had published a report that exposed exactly who the turkers were working for. Their data was being collected by Aleksandr Kogan, a young lecturer at Cambridge University. Kogan founded Global Science Re…

Wow. From the laughable shell companies, to the use of underpaid contractors for questionable deeds, to the "we can do whatever we want" terms and conditions, to hiring one of the chief perps, these people never cease to amaze.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by username223 »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #18

Anyone else suspicious that Zuckerberg may be gearing FB to ban the analytic tools of his competition if/when he runs? If Zuckerberg does run, I wonder to what extent FB will be his personal tool? Could you imagine if an old school news paper baron ran for president and his journalists always wrote in his favor?

I don't know what people thought of William Randolph Hearst during his lifetime, but I think Zuck has made himself toxic enough that he can't run for US President (or God) for quite awhile. He's rich enough that he can probably build an island or planet for retirement, though.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by rhizome »

bmpafa wrote: post #29
IIAOPSW wrote: post #18

Anyone else suspicious that Zuckerberg may be gearing FB to ban the analytic tools of his competition if/when he runs? If Zuckerberg does run, I wonder to what extent FB will be his personal tool? Could you imagine if an old school news paper baron ran for president and his journalists always wrote in his favor?

He's got full control right now, and opinions of him seem pretty negative overall (esp. wrt privacy/trust). I can't imagine it'd be any easier to manipulate opinions en masse if he were actively seeking office.

If he was going to run, he would want win and manipulation carries too much risk. I think it's likely that he uses FB analytics to determine what most people already want, then make that his platform.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by abakker »

Honest question: is this just masked preparation for GDPR?

It looks to me that CA may have gathered and shared FB data, and FB has suddenly realized that they have a GDPR violation on their hands.

IANAL, but I have seen articles suggesting that people will need to re-consent to the use of their data, and I could see this being a problem in this case, where the consent was never given in the first place, but FB would have to be able to report on how that data was being used.

Specifically, it looks likely that CA's data violates GDPR Article 9 section 1 - https://gdpr-info.eu/art-9-gdpr/ - completely.

GDPR violations for a company of Facebook's size would be substantial. In Facebook's case, if the fines were deemed to be "aggravated", the absolute maximum fine would be 4% of FB's annual revenue, or $318Million USD.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by valuearb »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #72
stevenwoo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is slightly OT, but they registered as lobbyists and we know where the money comes from - US citizens. Not that I agree with their message, but we have made this type of bribery legal in the USA.

How is lobbying bribery?

How is it not? Campaign contributions in return for votes.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by r00fus »

driverdan wrote: post #67
mbid wrote: post #17

> Protecting people’s information is at the heart of everything we do Thanks for striking down the bad guys, Facebook, our ever vigilant guardian of personal information.

The best way for them to maintain their walled garden is by restricting 3rd party access to the data. This isn't to protect users, it's to maintain and improve their wall.

You don't remember all their silly breaches and lapses of security about a decade ago do you?

Or are they reformed now?

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by r00fus »

noobermin wrote: post #50
manigandham wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What stops them from creating a holding company Nothing. Just like the adtech industry in general. So much of the spam and fraud could be stopped if there was even minimal regulation and actual consequences, but there isn't, so these actions are usually little more than PR, especially once all the damage is already done.

After the midterms and even possibly 2020, the future isn't going to look great for these companies.

You assume they won't lather rinse repeat using yet another way to get all the data and manipulate public opinion?
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