Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by stevenwoo » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:49 AM UTC

hedora wrote: post #15

kevingadd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CA's political stance is basically irrelevant here, they're mercenaries. "Liberal" companies of this stripe would easily do the same thing if given the opportunity. The sort of work they do is intrinsically compromising unless your business is operating with a very firm moral/ethical code and it really hinders your ability to chase opportunities and maximize revenues. It's not a coincidence that Google ditched 'don't…

Naming a liberal-leaning political consultancy that is this slimy would help. (The DNC’s behavior during the primaries comes to mind, in fairness to your argument)

I would say the DNC is not very liberal, it's more corporatist/neoliberal, which is not progressive at all. And their reach/tech is pretty low tech.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by hedora » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:50 AM UTC

colordrops wrote: post #14

hedora wrote: post #11

I don’t understand why it was legal for trump to hire Cambridge Analytica, which is foreign owned, to influence the presidential election. I also don’t understand why Russia gets all the news, when this foreign election tampering was so much more effective and done in the open. [edit: Downvotes. Wow. My comment is certainly on topic, so I guess “Foreign corporations shouldn’t participate in our elections” is controve…

What I wonder is why Israel is so ignored when they have orders of magnitude more money and influence in Washington than Russia. One of the top lobbyists in the US is AIPAC, giving money directly to politicians. The hypocrisy is absurd.

That too. Trump’s son-in-law apparently took a $30m bribe from the Israelis while working for the administration to broker a Palistinian peace deal, but that’s a bit off topic (since the article is about how he accepted foreign aid during elections, not his open corruption while holding office).

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by killjoywashere » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:51 AM UTC

mbid wrote: post #17

> Protecting people’s information is at the heart of everything we do Thanks for striking down the bad guys, Facebook, our ever vigilant guardian of personal information.

Excuse me, I think you dropped this -> ""

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by 2RTZZSro » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:51 AM UTC

hedora wrote: post #15

kevingadd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CA's political stance is basically irrelevant here, they're mercenaries. "Liberal" companies of this stripe would easily do the same thing if given the opportunity. The sort of work they do is intrinsically compromising unless your business is operating with a very firm moral/ethical code and it really hinders your ability to chase opportunities and maximize revenues. It's not a coincidence that Google ditched 'don't…

Naming a liberal-leaning political consultancy that is this slimy would help. (The DNC’s behavior during the primaries comes to mind, in fairness to your argument)

Fusio.n G_PS

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by NotSammyHagar » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:51 AM UTC

It's too easy for this information to get out. There's basically no penalty, you just use as you want and year's late facebook cuts you off? So you start a new company, owned by a new llc, get the lawyers to sign the 'i am not evil' doc and repeat.

There's no way this will have any impact until there are criminal citations on the people involved. In this case, because it's the us, there's not going to be anything criminal. Facebook, you need to sue companies that do this into oblivion. You are rich and can stand up.

In europe, there's gdpr, the us has no defense. Remember, the chinese and russian govts (probably) were the ones that hacked the company that had all the security clearance applications. Basically, everyone but average americans have access to us govt employee's private information. There must be some blackmailing going on.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by hedora » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:52 AM UTC

sigmar wrote: post #12

hedora wrote: post #11

I don’t understand why it was legal for trump to hire Cambridge Analytica, which is foreign owned, to influence the presidential election. I also don’t understand why Russia gets all the news, when this foreign election tampering was so much more effective and done in the open. [edit: Downvotes. Wow. My comment is certainly on topic, so I guess “Foreign corporations shouldn’t participate in our elections” is controve…

Hiring Cambridge Analytica is legal (just need to declare it publicly). Receiving contributions from foreign sources is illegal. Not too tough to suss out.

So, he pays putin $1, and then russia gate goes away?

He publicly asked for Russia’s help with the election...

That doesn’t sound like it would hold up in court.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by stevenwoo » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:53 AM UTC

colordrops wrote: post #14

hedora wrote: post #11

I don’t understand why it was legal for trump to hire Cambridge Analytica, which is foreign owned, to influence the presidential election. I also don’t understand why Russia gets all the news, when this foreign election tampering was so much more effective and done in the open. [edit: Downvotes. Wow. My comment is certainly on topic, so I guess “Foreign corporations shouldn’t participate in our elections” is controve…

What I wonder is why Israel is so ignored when they have orders of magnitude more money and influence in Washington than Russia. One of the top lobbyists in the US is AIPAC, giving money directly to politicians. The hypocrisy is absurd.

This is slightly OT, but they registered as lobbyists and we know where the money comes from - US citizens. Not that I agree with their message, but we have made this type of bribery legal in the USA.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by OrganicMSG » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:55 AM UTC

We are utterly shocked to discover that people have been invading our customer's privacy to manipulate them politically, without our consent. Sorry, their consent, I meant to say without their consent. Furthermore, we had no idea that this was going on, as we were reading a really good book at the time and the radio was on really loud. That said, we are paying attention now and you can trust us with everything from here on in, as we are really nice and competent, honest.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by bmpafa » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:55 AM UTC

IIAOPSW wrote: post #18

Anyone else suspicious that Zuckerberg may be gearing FB to ban the analytic tools of his competition if/when he runs? If Zuckerberg does run, I wonder to what extent FB will be his personal tool? Could you imagine if an old school news paper baron ran for president and his journalists always wrote in his favor?

He's got full control right now, and opinions of him seem pretty negative overall (esp. wrt privacy/trust). I can't imagine it'd be any easier to manipulate opinions en masse if he were actively seeking office.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by nathanaldensr » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 1:56 AM UTC

mbid wrote: post #17

> Protecting people’s information is at the heart of everything we do Thanks for striking down the bad guys, Facebook, our ever vigilant guardian of personal information.

That's exactly what I wanted to say. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house... none of these parties--Facebook included--can be trusted with any data. They're all out to make a buck with it!