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Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by jsonne » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:39 PM UTC

tome wrote: post #15

jsonne wrote: post #11

China is doing this explicitly, but the West has been doing this implicitly for a while. Doxxing people with the "wrong" opinion and emailing their employers, friends, etc. I pretty regularly see if on Facebook where someone says something and their post or a screenshot of their post is shared hundreds of thousands of times with test that says "make this person famous". To be clear people should be called out for big…

Woah, there's a difference between an "internet lynch mob" doing it and the state doing it!

Agreed. I was bringing up that in my mind they both fall under the same overarching trend I've been seeing in the west for a while.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by zanny » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:39 PM UTC

jsonne wrote: post #11

China is doing this explicitly, but the West has been doing this implicitly for a while. Doxxing people with the "wrong" opinion and emailing their employers, friends, etc. I pretty regularly see if on Facebook where someone says something and their post or a screenshot of their post is shared hundreds of thousands of times with test that says "make this person famous". To be clear people should be called out for big…

There is a massive divide between private citizens harassing and bulling one another and governments wielding a monopoly on force outlawing and punishing dessent against the ruling class.

You can sue someone for attacking you online if they cause provable financial or social distress. Go try suing the CCP in China for not providing freedom of speech and see how that unexplained disappearance treats you.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by trhway » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:40 PM UTC

iooi wrote: post #2

So if we assume they're getting their ideas from Black Mirror, how much longer until they start using humans for energy? [1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2089049/

i think this episode and Matrix got it wrong wrt. what humans would be used for. It isn't energy production. Given that humans have largest brain with largest brain/body ratio and with good energy efficiency the opening scene from Matrix looks to me like racks of GPUs running distributed computation/simulation.

In the spirit of this episode and the totalitarian nature of China today and the whole world tomorrow, i think it will be an every [regular] citizen duty to "plug in" for set amount of hours to run your fair share of social computing "dapps" and to sync-up/check the thoughts/emotions as well.

The open office enforced hive-style collaboration/teamwork and always-on IM with implicit contract of immediately dropping everything and lending your brain is a very-very early preview of that future.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:40 PM UTC

awakeasleep wrote: post #7

To me the principle of “once untrustworthy, always restricted” sounds like the beginning of a new caste system. Everyone's children are going to make mistakes. The wealthy are going to be able to cover up their children's mistakes, the poor are going to be put on 'the list' and become 'restricted.' The restrictions will grow, and eventually you'll have a new group of 'untouchables'

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Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by anf » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:41 PM UTC

jsonne wrote: post #21

tome wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woah, there's a difference between an "internet lynch mob" doing it and the state doing it!

Agreed. I was bringing up that in my mind they both fall under the same overarching trend I've been seeing in the west for a while.

If you don't want things you post screen-shot-ed and re-pasted, don't post them on the internet under your real name?

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by zaroth » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:41 PM UTC

tome wrote: post #15

jsonne wrote: post #11

China is doing this explicitly, but the West has been doing this implicitly for a while. Doxxing people with the "wrong" opinion and emailing their employers, friends, etc. I pretty regularly see if on Facebook where someone says something and their post or a screenshot of their post is shared hundreds of thousands of times with test that says "make this person famous". To be clear people should be called out for big…

Woah, there's a difference between an "internet lynch mob" doing it and the state doing it!

Yeah, the USA would never have anything like an extrajudicial no-fly list for people the government doesn’t like...

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by drefanzor » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:41 PM UTC

tome wrote: post #15

jsonne wrote: post #11

China is doing this explicitly, but the West has been doing this implicitly for a while. Doxxing people with the "wrong" opinion and emailing their employers, friends, etc. I pretty regularly see if on Facebook where someone says something and their post or a screenshot of their post is shared hundreds of thousands of times with test that says "make this person famous". To be clear people should be called out for big…

Woah, there's a difference between an "internet lynch mob" doing it and the state doing it!

The state does do it. It's called a criminal record which is strikingly easy to obtain in the U.S. which has a law for everything imaginable. If you've ever had any kind of criminal activity, ever, even from something dumb in your youth, the United States has a log of it, which employers use to discriminate against that person. Forever. It doesn't go away. The "miscreant" is then forced either into a life of crime, which puts them into prison or worse.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by zanny » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:41 PM UTC

walterbell wrote: post #20

From http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/10/26/black-mirror-... "You won’t be eligible for … positions in public office … social security and welfare … senior level positions in the food and drug sector … sleep in a bed in overnight trains … higher-starred hotels and restaurants … Your children … won’t be allowed to attend more expensive private schools … We have made extreme advancements in health care because…

The CCP is not interested in progress, its interested in maintaining permanent, absolute power at any cost.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by pishpash » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:41 PM UTC

awakeasleep wrote: post #7

To me the principle of “once untrustworthy, always restricted” sounds like the beginning of a new caste system. Everyone's children are going to make mistakes. The wealthy are going to be able to cover up their children's mistakes, the poor are going to be put on 'the list' and become 'restricted.' The restrictions will grow, and eventually you'll have a new group of 'untouchables'

The world goes around in circles. Some always want to be on top of others, enslaving them until they get overthrown.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by abnry » Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 5:42 PM UTC

jsonne wrote: post #11

China is doing this explicitly, but the West has been doing this implicitly for a while. Doxxing people with the "wrong" opinion and emailing their employers, friends, etc. I pretty regularly see if on Facebook where someone says something and their post or a screenshot of their post is shared hundreds of thousands of times with test that says "make this person famous". To be clear people should be called out for big…

You raise a great point. I would add, however, that doing this explicitly and systematically is much worse. In the US we are far from systematically banning people from riding the subway if they don't share the correct political views. There are definitely worrying trends but we still have enough of the idea of not discriminating in our country.