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Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by PTRFRLL »

gruez wrote: post #140
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #124

(x) Don't use public DNS such as google (or the DNS provided by your ISP such as Vodafone). Look for an anonymous non-logging service preferably outside Turkey (x) Tor is is one of many layers for anonymity to circumvent blocking. Don't "just" install the tor-browser or tor-proxy on your system but run tails from a clean machine. If you know what you're doing you might want to help others by isolating whole networks…

>Look for an anonymous non-logging service preferably outside Turkey what's the point? DNS isn't encrypted, so it's trivial to log/intercept your queries.

You could run DNSCrypt and use a server that supports it:

https://servers.opennic.org/

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by martimarkov »

gruez wrote: post #140
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #124

(x) Don't use public DNS such as google (or the DNS provided by your ISP such as Vodafone). Look for an anonymous non-logging service preferably outside Turkey (x) Tor is is one of many layers for anonymity to circumvent blocking. Don't "just" install the tor-browser or tor-proxy on your system but run tails from a clean machine. If you know what you're doing you might want to help others by isolating whole networks…

>Look for an anonymous non-logging service preferably outside Turkey what's the point? DNS isn't encrypted, so it's trivial to log/intercept your queries.

I guess it's harder to monitor all DNS traffic in the entire country than asking the ISP to give records for a specific user.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by blablabla123 »

bogomipz wrote: post #57
protonmail wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ProtonMail team here. Here is our assessment about how ProtonMail compares to Gmail from the security/privacy perspective: https://protonmail.com/blog/protonmail-vs-gmail-security/

>"No tracking and logging Google records literally every action done by its users. This includes your IP address, every search that you do, which emails you open, which websites you visit, and much more. ProtonMail takes the opposite approach and by default, does not monitor or record user activity, not even IP addresses." Has this been verified by an independent third party? Also how do you determine there's an issu…

> Has this been verified by an independent third party?

Which would that be? ;-)

I use ProtonMail myself. I kind of doubt that all their promises are true. But at least it's an entity separate from Google. A few years ago my whole Internet life somehow went through Google, from Search over Mail up to News, Discussions, Drive, YouTube... I find it creepy that when I click an article in an online shop, not even buying it, a stupid ad of it might appear for a week. Even if you agree that ads have a purpose, there is no purpose for showing me an ad for a thing that I looked at myself already!

I have no indication of ProtonMail doing anything in this direction (I see their ads only on protonmail.com), that's reason enough for me already. Also I trust them that their servers are not going to be hacked so that those contents will land on troyhunt.com.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by ju-st »

gruez wrote: post #140
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #124

(x) Don't use public DNS such as google (or the DNS provided by your ISP such as Vodafone). Look for an anonymous non-logging service preferably outside Turkey (x) Tor is is one of many layers for anonymity to circumvent blocking. Don't "just" install the tor-browser or tor-proxy on your system but run tails from a clean machine. If you know what you're doing you might want to help others by isolating whole networks…

>Look for an anonymous non-logging service preferably outside Turkey what's the point? DNS isn't encrypted, so it's trivial to log/intercept your queries.

DNS over VPN is encrypted (at least until the VPN server)

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

dang wrote: post #86
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I posted a comment criticizing the fact that the mods revoked my upvoting privs. That prompted a HN user to reach out to me via Keybase, who shared some of my experiences. Apparently his voting privs were revoked back in 2014 or so. My other comment got flagged, so if I want other people to also reach out and submit stories, I have no choice but to repost yet another comment. This will be the last one for awhile.…

Would you please stop posting these off topic rants?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfzfy0jy74&feature=youtu.be...

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by dogma1138 »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #104
dogma1138 wrote: post #44

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The technical means to enforce a law are a bunch of guys with sharp sticks.

Everyone knows that. And yet the example with alcohol still works, so it's kind of a moot point.

Enforcement will never be completely universal and the more "free" the society is in general the harder it would be to enforce it via draconian means.

So the dry laws in the US and in other western (primarily Nordic) countries isn't that great of an example as these were still mainly liberal democracies despite the restrictions.

The similar laws in more authoritarian regimes would work quite differently.

And unfortunately we have too many modern examples of how effective governments can be at suppressing various behaviors and or ideas.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by soundwave106 »

incognito209357 wrote: post #119
teekert wrote: post #117

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Politicians need to remember that The Law is nothing in the face of technology. (You can't block fundamental math, you can't block decentralized apps that hide their traffic as something else, you can't prevent knowledge from leaking out, from anywhere, etc.)

You are thinking in absolutes. The politicians don't. They're fine with 99% solutions that cover the general population. The remaining 1% of dissidents will be dealt with by throwing them in jail, not by making the technology impossible to access so that they are forced to give up their efforts. Look at north korea or china for examples.

Turn the screws too tight though and the talented will leave for greener pastures. This is definitely happening in Turkey (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42433668). This has happened in the past too, many times. You describe more the politicians that care more about their power then the general welfare of their nation. North Korea is a great example here.

China's an interesting case, as Xi Jinping is indeed turning the screws tighter as well, so far seemingly without any sort of harm. The historical record on this however suggests this is unwise. Time will tell, I guess. As I see it, at some point, censorship will end up conflicting with the type of knowledge / information needed to allow an economy to prosper.

On encryption, what "law and order" people need to recognize is that any crude tool "designed for law enforcement" will eventually be misused by criminals. Think if there was an enforced national house lock standard that includes a "police master key" that the police could use to open doors. I think most people would instinctively recognize the flaw, that in no short order a "police master key" would easily appear on the black market, making breaking-and-entering very easy (and consequently quite attractive to execute). Not sure why there are blinders on encryption, frankly the Internet needs way more security, not less.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by JepZ »

nh2 wrote: post #121
jlgaddis wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably, you mean: echo 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf

Usually you need "nameserver 8.8.8.8", not just the IP. Or is a plain IP accepted as well?

:D its funny how many mistakes you can do in a single command:

- yes, I wanted to write to /etc/resolv.conf

- yes, I wanted to write "nameserver 8.8.8.8"

- overwriting the file was intentional as otherwise the old nameserver would still be first.

  echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf
Too bad, I can't edit my initial post and correct the complete nonsense.

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by def_true_false »

bogomipz wrote: post #137
mtgx wrote: post #107

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Except for that time when Google's data centers were completely owned by the NSA. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-i...

Except they didn't "own" Google's data centers at all. They tapped a fiber optic cable outside any data centers. Every other wavelength and individual strand in that cable would have also been susceptible. Fiber optic cables aren't some secret, they're quite visible(orange) and accessible in public rightaways. So yeah Protonmail is not much safer from that level of hostility is it? Lastly for all Protonmail's righteo…

Why don't you link their response while you are at it?

https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/protonmail-isr...

Re: ProtonMail blocked by Vodafone Turkey

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Post by def_true_false »

tyingq wrote: post #70
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #60

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Everywhere is regressing at the moment. Brexit, US protectionism, China's a dictatorship again. It's like none of the 'leaders of the world' have read any history. Or they have, and are arrogant enough to think 'that won't happen now that I'M in charge'.

Sure, but Turkey is a little different. It's going from, for some people "no issues, I'm influential and popular, if perhaps a little controversial" , to suddenly "I'm in jail now, for probably months" .

This is not a recent thing. Turkey has been topping the incarcerated journalists per capita list for years.
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