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Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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Re: Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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Why? Obviously we all want faster mobile data, but how do you think the government will improve on what telcos would do on their own?

Well, the difference is that I can’t vote AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon out in four years.

I have a hard time seeing how government would do a better job. When I didn't like my 4G coverage by T-Mobile I switched to AT&T, higher price but far better coverage. What recourse do you have against a government gone rogue except to wait 4 years? It sounds to me like you're describing a step backwards

Re: Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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> Trump acted on a recommendation by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S. Seems legit. I know we all love to bash Trump, but he might not be entirely evil. Sometimes he's not treated fairly, that said it's all well deserved that's for sure :)

Just because he happens across doing something "good" once in a while doesn't mean he's not completely evil man. It's everyone's birthday once a year.

Just because you and your social group continually assert in any marginally relevant forum that Trump is "completely devoid of ethics" and a "completely evil man"(to take two choice quotes from this thread) doesn't make it true - no matter how much you wish for it.

Re: Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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> Trump acted on a recommendation by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S. Seems legit. I know we all love to bash Trump, but he might not be entirely evil. Sometimes he's not treated fairly, that said it's all well deserved that's for sure :)

Just because he happens across doing something "good" once in a while doesn't mean he's not completely evil man. It's everyone's birthday once a year.

Unless you were born on February 29.

Re: Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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I suspect the issue is that, if whole classes of chips that are important for military purposes (wireless communications, for example) are made exclusively by China, they could put in backdoors and other traps that would compromise U.S. military hardware. I haven't seen anyone discuss this angle openly, though, so either I'm off base somehow or it's not something the U.S. wants to loudly discuss (because they're like…

Nobody is looking at it from that angle because Broadcomm is not a Chinese company. So, yes, you are way off on this. The Trump admin is essentially running on exophobia to push all their trade policies (eg, steel tariff where Canada and Mexico are the top exporters.

Your implication that only Chinese companies can plant backdoors seems exophobic to me. If we are going to go with the 'only China can backdoor things', Broadcomm has corporate offices in Singapore - why couldn't someone amenable to the Chinese cause, or a lot of money, help get a backdoor in? The same is still possible with US citizens running a US enterprise in the US, but the punishment in America for treason against America is pretty severe and well known. What is the punishment in Singapore if you help put a backdoor in a product which ultimately goes to the US military?

Re: Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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If you look at CNBC video on the deal (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/us-tells-broadcom-it-confirm...) which talks about the Government concerns there are two parts:

1) Its a foreign company takeover. This will not hold as Broadcom is domiciling in the US soon.

2) Broadcom has publicly stated that it intends to do private equity style management. They are going to add $100B in debt - which might make them cut R&D. For its size, Qualcomm spends significantly more on R&D and has been a pioneer of many technologies. CFIUS contends this is a natural security concern. Any reduction in US R&D spend on key technologies like 5G will lead to China filling the void.

Re: Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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This is good, as it seemed Intel was about to buy broadcom after it bought Qualcomm. Considering they're all the main competitors for chipsets and such, this prevents [complete monopolization] of those markets. These companies remaining under different companies at least lets fail and succeed with their own style

From what I've heard the Intel to buy Broadcom rumor was absurd and never going to happen.

Re: Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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But Broadcom is an American company. Avago was spun out of HP in 1999 (American). They were acquired by KKR and Silver Lake Partners in 2005 (both American). Listed on the NASDAQ in 2009. Bought CyOptics in 2013 (American). Bought LSI in 2013 (American). Bought PLX in 2014 (American). Bought Emulex in 2015 (American). And finally bought Broadcom in 2015, closing in January 2016 (American). Then they renamed themselve…

Not true. Moving your legal address to the US doesn't make it a US company. The headquarters is currently in Singapore.

Wasn't Broadcom founded by a few UCLA folks in the early 90's?

Re: Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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Just because he happens across doing something "good" once in a while doesn't mean he's not completely evil man. It's everyone's birthday once a year.

Just because you and your social group continually assert in any marginally relevant forum that Trump is "completely devoid of ethics" and a "completely evil man"(to take two choice quotes from this thread) doesn't make it true - no matter how much you wish for it.

The validity of both arguments assume the existence of evil. That is not a given.

Re: Trump Issues Order to Block Broadcom’s Takeover of Qualcomm

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Do we drive on corporate owned highways A good chunk of the national interstate system consists of toll roads, some of which have been privatized (ex: Indiana Toll Road). And the quality of the interstate highways varies greatly by the state. I wouldn't hold out the US public highway system out as an example of how great public infrastructure is maintained...

"A good portion," you say? Is it 10%? 5?

Not sure I'd call it a "good portion" in this context, but it's 6.2% according to FHWA.

> Today, the 46,730-mile Interstate System includes approximately 2,900 miles of turnpikes.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/tollroad.cfm

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