What are your thoughts on requiring or at least encouraging verified accounts - somehow putting a verified name behind the poster?
Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
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Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#322So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
I'd like to see what impact posting limits would have. For instance, let every user make 2 submissions and 10 comments in a month. One of the issues on every forum is that it takes a lot less time to make a ton of low effort comments than it does to make one thoughtful post. Another is that a small minority end up making the vast majority of the posts (even when that minority is well intentioned).
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#323We tend to think we’re more in control of our behavior than we actually are. That is, our brains are operating from habit a large amount of the time, and the idea of the CEO brain consciously deciding our every action is largely an illusion. This is why emergency exit doors must open outwards. People have died in fires in theaters trying to push on doors that said “Pull”. The crash bar on an emergency exit door is wh…
Now consider the fact that the primary affordance of social media is the “reaction”.
Questionable.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
HN generally works very well. The echo chamber problem is due to allowing downvotes IMO. In my experience that simply leads to minority viewpoints being downvoted. Instead, downvotes should be removed, and people should be allowed to flag abusive comments.
HN works very poorly, and worse by the year. I've been using HN since 2009, I've been on a wide variety of discussion platforms going back to usenet, HN has had its moment in the sun and that has largely passed. Voting on HN barely has an effect, and I suspect that the average votes per comment on HN has gone way down year over year. People just don't vote on posts as often as you'd think, not anymore. A related prob…
> ...I suspect that the average votes per comment on HN has gone way down year over year
OK, I'll bite! A cursory look at the data shows a clear increase in average votes on comments from 2007 until 2012, which is the only year with a dip, followed by steady growth until the present all-time high.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#325This problem is easy to solve: give users the tools to do their own filtering. But services like to pretend that it's a hard problem because they don't want to actually cede that control to their users. The whole point of controlling the communication networks is to control what and how people say and hear.
Yeah, it's a platform vs protocols issues. I much preferred the Usenet model and wish there were some capital/effort behind rehabilitating it. The web internet comment protocol seems promising but I have yet to see it implemented anywhere.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#326So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
My friend introduced me to a project that he'd been working on that touches on some of these issues. https://doxa.network/ While I can't come to a conclusion on it (whether or not it's a good/bad idea) - I wonder what others in the HN community think about it. I apologize in advance if this is a bad place to comment, I've been mostly a lurker thus far!
I think this has been posted before, actually. The underlying concept, I get. But I'm not sure how it'll ever become a 'product'.
In addition to all that, I still fail to see how a blockchain would solve any of these fundamental issues.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#327So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…
I'd like to see what impact posting limits would have. For instance, let every user make 2 submissions and 10 comments in a month. One of the issues on every forum is that it takes a lot less time to make a ton of low effort comments than it does to make one thoughtful post. Another is that a small minority end up making the vast majority of the posts (even when that minority is well intentioned).
Set up a forum and try it, then you too can be the mayor of an internet ghost town.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying this would create less of an echo chamber?
I'd think so. More popular threads would 'cost' more to post in and there would then be less posters in it as a result. 'Brigading' would be difficult.
on the contrary, popular opinions would gather more karma, thus allowing them to share their ideas more often, unpopular opinions will quickly have their posting ability removed via downvotes. Soon enough only the prevailing popular opinion will be found
I had the same idea at first but I don't think it would work in practice
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wasn't there a case where he did precisely that by editing a post of a Trump supporter?
This sentence in the article is in response to that incident, claiming they've removed that ability.
He made the change in the database. They didn't remove functionality.
Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet
#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Dangerously minimizing?" Yes. Pretending that the problem of toxicity is just people who can't handle differing opinions is to be willfully ignorant of the problem. As such, a reasonable conversation can not be had. "And you lack imagination and historical hindsight if you think the concept of "toxicity" can only be wielded by whatever you consider to be the forces of light. So to speak." Nowhere did I say that in t…
You're spoiled beyond belief if you view "toxic" comments online as a serious problem. If it is truly "a problem", then the larger problem is tying your emotions to what anonymous people say. You live vicariously through an image of how offended someone else might be. Instead of tending to the garden you can actually protect and uphold. Do you think the poor bastards in Skid Row feel better because some (literal) whi…
You could argue that toxic comments on the internet are the only reason the current president got elected in the US. Should said president lead us to a nuclear holocaust, or any number of other real possibilities due to his proven negligence, toxic internet comments would have a very real impact on the material conditions of citizens in this country.