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A 1980s study on juvenile crime in Japan sheds light on American gun culture

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Re: A 1980s study on juvenile crime in Japan sheds light on American gun culture

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I can't even count the times I've heard of someone getting into a bar fight and not being content to get their ass kicked "like a man" proceed to get a gun out of their car and shoot like six innocent people trying to get back at the person who did the ass kicking. It's a cultural thing methinks...

I can't even count the times I've heard of... Probably because that count would be exactly... zero . I have over 60 years of criminology data and yet cannot find one case that meets your stated criteria (bar fight or any other collection of strangers resulting in more than 2 fatalities or 3 wounded).

1 dead 2 wounded: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/arizona/articles/201...

1 dead 2 wounded: http://www.azfamily.com/story/37585825/police-investigating-...

1 dead 2 wounded: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2016/10/2...

and that's just Phoenix.

Hold on...found a 6 people shot one too: https://www.click2houston.com/news/6-people-shot-after-fight...

Don't think your criminology database is all that comprehensive...

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Actually, just up the street from the first link I was in the parking lot of Kitty's Bar calling into dispatch (was working for Sunrise Cab at the time) and this "individual" took 3 or 4 steps into the street and unloaded his handgun in the air. Me (being me) looked at this "individual", who's 30-40 feet away from me, and see he's not shooting at me so go back to what I was doing and was like "whatever".

Only thing I can think of is he was either mad at getting kicked out of the bar or perhaps wanted the traffic to stop for his jaywalking, dunno? Of course all my later calls were in the area the police were conducting their manhunt which was a PITA.

Re: A 1980s study on juvenile crime in Japan sheds light on American gun culture

#92
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He/she would also probably be known as undefeated.

Firstly, I think your comment reveals an assumption that victory by any means is a universal value, which it certainly is not. Secondly, I think your comment reveals a classical misunderstanding of the tactics required to maintain a position of superior strength. As the article makes clear, using a gun would elicit scorn, thereby risking the antipathy of one's allies, a grievous situation indeed. You really think tha…

I think you are reading too far into my comment, it was a joke.

Re: A 1980s study on juvenile crime in Japan sheds light on American gun culture

#93

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There are no places to practice. From what I gather, even Japanese Yakuza cannot hit the broad side of a barn.

Japan produced an IPSC champion some years back. In Japan, he trained exclusively with an airsoft pistol and only ever fired a gun when he came to the US to compete.

Wow, that is incredible.

Re: A 1980s study on juvenile crime in Japan sheds light on American gun culture

#94
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the GP; I'd need to see some evidence. > in gang ridden neighborhoods Gangs are no longer a problem in most American cities, afaik. It's a obsolete myth in the minds of people who never step foot in poor and working-class urban neighborhoods, but they see lots of TV and movies.

You don't see Crips and Bloods wearing colors but in the several cities I've spent significant time in, there are organized drug-dealing operations with management hierarchy. That, to me, is a gang.

How would you know those things without being in that 'business'? The current drug problem is disproportionately rural, as far as I know. Crime in cities is at lows going back decades. Again, gang-ridden, drug-dealer filled cities is an obsolete notion among those who don't live in them.

Re: A 1980s study on juvenile crime in Japan sheds light on American gun culture

#95
post #76

Seriously? As a Japanese, I can't agree any of the auther's claim. First, It's less than 20 years old for a crime to be punished differently than adults in Japan. Not 21 years. An article containing this level of mistake cannot trusted further. It said, Japanese biker gang can get a gun but not doing so because of honor, “Being able to move your finger on a trigger is not really a skill that wows anyone.” What? It co…

Huh, Japan is trial as adult from 21 on-wards... Juvenile is up to 20 years old...

No, it's >= 20. But it's actually more complicated than = 20.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E6%B3%95

Children can be charged at any age, but there is no criminal liability under 14. Children under 14 can still be sent to juvenile detention centers.

From 14 on-wards, they can be sentenced to prison, with reduced sentences compared to adults.

From 18 on-wards, they can be sentenced like adults.

Re: A 1980s study on juvenile crime in Japan sheds light on American gun culture

#96
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't even count the times I've heard of... Probably because that count would be exactly... zero . I have over 60 years of criminology data and yet cannot find one case that meets your stated criteria (bar fight or any other collection of strangers resulting in more than 2 fatalities or 3 wounded).

1 dead 2 wounded: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/arizona/articles/201... 1 dead 2 wounded: http://www.azfamily.com/story/37585825/police-investigating-... 1 dead 2 wounded: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2016/10/2... and that's just Phoenix. Hold on...found a 6 people shot one too: https://www.click2houston.com/news/6-people-shot-after-fight... Don't think your criminology database is all…

None of your linked articles fit your original description, so I’d say his database is comprehensive.
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