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A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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Re: A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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I've always wondered why we still have such crappy roads, given that roads are possibly the oldest technology there is, and every civilized place on earth has paved roads, thus making an enormous potential market for a better solution. Either: 1) Most people don't care as much as I do about the bone-jarring, car-ruining potholes that are ubiquitous in every cold climate on earth, and thus aren't willing to spend thei…

Thanks to the last line in your comment, I forwarded it to mine!

Re: A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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This strikes me as a classic separation of buyer interests from vendor interests leading to misaligned incentives. The contractors have no incentive to update their equipment. In fact if this is scientifically proven to be a major solution they should want to avoid this. If the province could incentivize the vendor to pay them more for every year there is no pothole and punish them for every pothole they would totally adopt this tech.

Re: A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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Put water inside the hole, run over it with a car that will put some pressure on it, and it'll fill all those small cracks inside the asphalt. Repeat many times. Also, asphalt isn't solid, it get thinner when the sun is high, deforming every time a car runs over it in the summer. South of south America, more or less equivalent to Florida: no freezing during winter and not that hot during summer, but everytime there's…

> South of south America, more or less equivalent to Florida Are you calling North America "America", and then go on and call Florida "south America", as if there isn't such a place in the world as South America? I do not approve of this North America-centric view of the world at all.

America refers to The United States of America. Same as we don't refer to Mexico all the time as Estados Unidos Mexicanos.

I don't approve of getting upset over turns of phrase online. Principle of charity.

Re: A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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PA is notoriously bad at coordinating tearing up with other work. It seems that 1ms after a clean paved road is down, someone in another dept is plotting to tear it up to get at their utility, then hire 2 guys with a shovel to do a very halfassed patch job afterwards, which either is heaved up high or sunk down low. The halfassed patch will become a pothole for the next 10 years of repatching it badly over and over a…

PA = Pennsylvania? There are two seasons in Pennsylvania, winter and construction.

I have often joked that we should change our state bird to the road cone.

Re: A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Put water inside the hole, run over it with a car that will put some pressure on it, and it'll fill all those small cracks inside the asphalt. Repeat many times. Also, asphalt isn't solid, it get thinner when the sun is high, deforming every time a car runs over it in the summer. South of south America, more or less equivalent to Florida: no freezing during winter and not that hot during summer, but everytime there's…

> South of south America, more or less equivalent to Florida Are you calling North America "America", and then go on and call Florida "south America", as if there isn't such a place in the world as South America? I do not approve of this North America-centric view of the world at all.

>Are you calling North America "America", and then go on and call Florida "south America", as if there isn't such a place in the world as South America?

Depending on the geography class you took, and where, there might not be a "South America". Some countries just call the whole continent America:

Most North Americans are taught that there are 7 continents: Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe and Australia/Oceania. In some textbooks, North and South America are combined into "America" and/or Europe and Asia are combined into "Eurasia", for a grant total of 6 or even 5.

I do not approve of your 7-continent view of the World, as if it was the only one.

Re: A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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I've always read that road damage was caused by heavy vehicles(semis) which stress fracture the roads, which in turn fill with water, freeze, expand, rinse and repeat. This article seems to imply it's caused by the road design itself, though. Wonder which is true (or both)?

Well built roads can stand heavier vehicles. If you either run too heavy vehicles, or build your roads badly, potholes will appear.

Re: A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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I was literally wondering about this question the other day. It's 2018; we can make CPUs with 12nm features but we can't make a long lasting asphalt? Fascinating: Nichols said the AMIR “has great potential” to extend the life of roads, and “save significant taxpayer dollars.” In 2016, an MTO analysis found that the province would save $50 million annually if roads on the MTOs highways could last even one year longer.…

> Asphalt resurfacing simply involves applying new asphalt over the old. Damaged areas are filled with fresh asphalt, and a steamroller goes over the entire surface to yield smooth, even pavement.

Florida native, I can tell you this is very temporary. Big chunks will eventually come up and you can see the previous pavement underneath. I'm assuming that between the heat here and the cracks mentioned in the original article that let water seep between the layers, this is just a bad way to fix a road.

Re: A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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I've always read that road damage was caused by heavy vehicles(semis) which stress fracture the roads, which in turn fill with water, freeze, expand, rinse and repeat. This article seems to imply it's caused by the road design itself, though. Wonder which is true (or both)?

Roads are designed, manufactured, used, and maintained.

You can impact road surface wear by tweaking any of these variables. They all affected the surface, there is no single cause.

Re: A transportation engineer has a simple solution to potholes: pave better roads

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The article calls the invention a paver but it is a compactor (what everyone calls a steamroller). This article is a little more sciency: https://canada.constructconnect.com/dcn/news/Technology/2017... The paver is the machine that catches the asphalt out of the dump truck and spreads it across the road.

Took me awhile to figure this out as well, this isn't even a paver, it's a better roller.

IMHO that just makes the difference it produces even more impressive, I thought this was a totally different paving machine.

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