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How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

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Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

#41

On a 5 hr bike ride your body is going to go into a similar state as intermittent fasting with all your glycogen being burned off. Similar to fasting this frees up energy and allows the garbage in your system to be burned off.

> garbage in your system What precisely is this?

Lymphatic system, which operates during movement.

Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

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post #3

- is it correlation or causation? - could the causation be in the other direction? You always need to ask these questions. Perhaps senior people who have immune systems as 20-year olds, are much more likely to cycle in old age. Or there is some other reason that causes both.

Does it matter that much? Just be active for as long as possible and reap the benefits of fit muscles and a stronger heart. Purely anecdotal: My grandfather is nearing 90 and still jumps on his indoor bike every day. Last winter he fell (due to ice) and got away with a few bruises. For other people his age this kind of fall could have meant a broken hip. He had two heart attacks when he was around 60 and a life long…

Of course it matters. If the old cyclists are just genetically superior, then prescribing 100 mile bike rides to frail old people might be damaging, rather than transforming them into disease-resistant superhumans.

Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

#43

On a 5 hr bike ride your body is going to go into a similar state as intermittent fasting with all your glycogen being burned off. Similar to fasting this frees up energy and allows the garbage in your system to be burned off.

I do a ~24 hour fast weekly, and a LOT of sites go into this "burning off garbage" or "toxin cleaning" rhetoric which always puts me in "bullshit warning" mode. Is there actual science behind these claims?

The 'detox' side of it is very likely garbage (but a great way to sell); on the other hand, 5-hour bike rides without fuel will deplete your glycogen stores and there'll come a point where the differnce becomes obvious (see 'bonk-training').

A 24-hour fast is different; your body will burn fat at sufficient rate to avoid glycogen depletion (it's pretty simple; the harder you exercise the less energy comes from fat and more from 'carbs').

From a weight-less perspective though all that matters is calories out exceed calories in - it's quite possible though that fasts end up making you less hungry than hard exercise does.

Long-distance cyclists don't worry about any of this though - the approach is actually pretty simple:-

Press food to face.

Suck.

Repeat.

Edit: formatting.

Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

#44
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a saying: You don't stop running when you become old. You become old when you stop running. Of course, "running" can be substituted with any other exercise

Not only a saying: science. As long as you can walk 1.36 m/s (about 5 km/hour), the grim reaper will never catch up with you. 0.82 m/s (about 3km/hour) already makes you mostly safe ( http://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d7679 )

It's nice to see an editor for the BMJ (formerly British Medical Journal) has a sense of humor. I wasn't expecting to see Pratchett T. as the first citation in a (somewhat) serious medical journal article.

Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

#45

I'd be curious to know if similar effects are observed in orthogonal types of physical activity from cycling, e.g. strength training.

I hear often that strength training is more beneficial as, supposedly, increments your growth hormone levels.

I'm also interested in a listing of publications comparing different physical activities for their fitness related to improving health overall and anti-aging concretely. ?

Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

#46
post #12

Saying exercise prevents decline normalizes being sedentary. I prefer considering exercise normal and saying its lack accelerates decline. Anyone is free to call normal what they want, but I find my way leads me to live more healthy.

It's quite obvious actually, a very neglected truth. Humans are animals and sustaining the body takes work and time, the body needs it though, all mammals have maintenance to do. It shows how much modernity is twisting some basic stuff. The problem though maybe is what other truths we'd had to take into consideration by accepting that one, mainly that our society, lifestyle, work expectations & etc literally kills us slowly.

Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

#47
I don't think it's any one thing. Exercise helps people stay connected with others. Being healthy enough for exercise is important, but regular exercise also makes illness more obvious. If you stay at home watching TV then feeling bad does not change much, if you normally bike around then dizzy spells become really noticeable.

Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter that much? Just be active for as long as possible and reap the benefits of fit muscles and a stronger heart. Purely anecdotal: My grandfather is nearing 90 and still jumps on his indoor bike every day. Last winter he fell (due to ice) and got away with a few bruises. For other people his age this kind of fall could have meant a broken hip. He had two heart attacks when he was around 60 and a life long…

Of course it matters. If the old cyclists are just genetically superior, then prescribing 100 mile bike rides to frail old people might be damaging, rather than transforming them into disease-resistant superhumans.

Don't be ridiculous. No physician or trainer would prescribe a century ride to a frail old person. That's something you have to work up to. But if they start with something easier then some of them will eventually stop being frail, and start being capable of completing long rides.

Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

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post #12

Saying exercise prevents decline normalizes being sedentary. I prefer considering exercise normal and saying its lack accelerates decline. Anyone is free to call normal what they want, but I find my way leads me to live more healthy.

This is often referred to as the "normalization of deviance" in sociology and public health research.

Re: How exercise in old age prevents the immune system from declining

#50

On a 5 hr bike ride your body is going to go into a similar state as intermittent fasting with all your glycogen being burned off. Similar to fasting this frees up energy and allows the garbage in your system to be burned off.

Most athletes doing long bike rides consume carbohydrate supplements such as sports drinks or energy bars. Otherwise unless you're going at a really slow pace you'll "bonk" after a few hours and be physically unable to continue.
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