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Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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I am fully in favor of this. I enjoy having more sunlight after work when I can actually go out and enjoy it.

It does seem like a theft from the working population to replace daylight with fluorescents.

Take away water and replace it with diet soda. Sounds like a prison, we should charge for this.

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I hope my own state follows suit. Before I became a parent, I found the shift to and from daylight savings time a mild annoyance. By the time I had an infant and a toddler, I was roundly cursing whomever decided that arbitrarily slip-shifting our clocks twice a year was a good idea. Kids' sleep schedules don't adjust instantaneously, and when they're too young for explanations to mean much it means it's a twice-a-yea…

It wasn’t arbitrary - the guy who first proposed it was a big lover of the outdoors and thought it was mad that people in the UK missed out on all the summer sun from about 3am onwards, he proposed taking an hour from the morning sun and putting it at the end of the day so that people could enjoy some of that sun at the end of their working day (since this was in the early 1900s many men worked 12 hours in a mine shaft or in a factory so would have made a big impact) - in the end, what swung it was energy savings for running lamps during the world war 1 coal shortages. He never got to see it implemented, Germany trialled it first but since we were at war he didn’t know about that at the time.

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post #10

Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!

DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south, but definitely doesn't if you're closer to the equator. And for Florida DST probably never made sense.

"DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south,"

As a person living on the 61st parallel - it does not. Winters are dark anyway you put it, and summers have so much light you can't be awake through it all. The situation gets only more extreme the norther you get.

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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post #10

Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!

DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south, but definitely doesn't if you're closer to the equator. And for Florida DST probably never made sense.

except this law would make DST the official time of Florida, not standard time (though only if Congress changes a law that allows states to do so). Other states like Arizona have exempted themselves from DST, which the federal government allows them to do.

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post #73
post #24

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That doesn't actually help... My problem is that I walk the kids to school every day. A few weeks ago, it was solidly dark when we did this walk. Now it is broad daylight. Will remain that way for the rest of the year. Even with the change in time coming up. I confess in the grand scheme, this is not a major concern of mine. It isn't as easy as just moving to UTC, though. When families move, you typically try and kee…

Pre-modern views on this is that you are supposed to align with the natural order of the world. If we are waking up at the same clock time and it is darker, we are not living in a way that is aligned. It is darker because it is closer to winter, a time when emotions, metabolisms, and such all shift towards less activity and more reflection. Kids went to bed because the whole family, the whole community ran on sunup a…

Apologies if I am misunderstanding, but I think this is agreeing with me. Right?

Specifically, I'm saying I would like it if we had a stable measure to the sun time of where we are. We don't. But it is not DST that really kills it. Rather, the idea that the sun down/up times are static for a place is weak. At best.

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post #10

Yes! Bravo to Florida. I don't care what timezone California wants to be in—PST or MST—as long as we stop the nonsense of changing between two timezones every year. This coming Sunday is another DST change, and with it will come countless small nuisances, immeasurable drowsiness and lost productivity, and a non-trivial number of injuries or worse. Just pick a timezone and stick with it!

DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south, but definitely doesn't if you're closer to the equator. And for Florida DST probably never made sense.

Sufficiently far up (and down I guess) it makes little sense at all, or does so for very small part of the year. There's nothing to be saved in the abundance of light all day in the summer, and nothing to be done for the darkness of winter.

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#147
post #86

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The amount of daylight is not changed by setting clocks. The point is to shift daylight hours away from "sleeping time", but still not having to get up when it's dark. The ideal daylight savings would be to synchronize clocks with sunrise, so that sunrise always occurs when it's time to get up (7 AM or whatever). Here in Sweden, where the length of the day varies from 6 to 18 hours, DST is really useful.

> The ideal daylight savings would be to synchronize clocks with sunrise, so that sunrise always occurs when it's time to get up (7 AM or whatever). Here in Sweden, where the length of the day varies from 6 to 18 hours, DST is really useful. How would that work? You'd be getting up at like 3:30AM in the Summer for no reason. That far North there's no way to avoid it being mostly light in the Summer and mostly dark in…

It will be 7:00AM, not 3:30AM. Mid-summer in Stocholm the sunset will be at 1:30 and the sunrise at 7:00. And 1000 miles south in Sarajevo clocks will be 1h30 behind, because by the time the Sun rises (at 7:00 local time) it will be already 8:30 in Stockholm...

Re: Permanent Daylight Saving Time? Florida Says Yes, but It’s Not So Simple

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DST can make sense if you're sufficiently far north/south, but definitely doesn't if you're closer to the equator. And for Florida DST probably never made sense.

Even way up north, I'd rather have summer time all year. Having it get dark around 3:30 in the afternoon in the middle of winter is a drag . That said, I've found there's a lot of resistance to the idea among parents. On standard time, it's light out when kids are on their way to school. On daylight time, it would be dark then.

As a kid, I didn't care whether it was light out on the way to school. School time wasn't my time anyway, might as well be dark.

On the other hand, having an hour of sunlight after the school is over has been a drag, as you said, especially when it was eaten up by the commute.

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I don’t get the downright hatred that some have for DST. If we were perpetually on winter time, then at my latitude during the summer the sun would rise at 5 in the morning which is too early for many people. If we were to be perpetually on summer time, then in winter the sun will not rise until after 8, with people starting to work before the sun came up.

Is there something wrong with wanting the sun to come up at a semi-standard time of 6–7? Is it just the system we have in place?

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As an early riser, PST forever! I vote we do a half hour compromise.

> I vote we do a half hour compromise. Please no, just stop

India, UTC+05:30, all through the year. Despite having widely different climate zones in various regions of the country, there is no "Daylight Saving Time".
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