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Coinbase Index Fund

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Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#111

"Available to US accredited investors." It seems a little ironic that any Joe Blow with a credit card can buy cryptocurrency, at presumably higher risk since he's managing the assets himself, but he can't invest in this fund.

My theory is that the only reason the SEC hasn't classified all cryptocurrencies as securities is that doing so would be too unpopular politically. Anything that fails to get wide backing before the regulators hear about it, will get cracked down on.

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#112
The entire point of cryptocurrency is to control it yourself, by owning the private keys. Instead of investing in ethereum with coinbase, why not invest in a centralized smart contract platform (much easier and even safer as long as you trust the person who runs it)?

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

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For anyone wondering why this is better than just buying the coins yourself, here are some reasons: 1. Non-technical investors don't know which coins to buy. There are some genuinely good coins, and lots of scams, and they look pretty much identical to the untrained eye. 2. Non-technical investors don't know how to store coins safely. Words like "cold wallet" and "Trezor" don't mean anything to them. Even if they wan…

> There was a guy a while ago who bought a hardware wallet on ebay and lost all his coins. Was this because he sent his coins to a paper wallet that the seller generated for him? I would be impressed if someone had actually managed to produce a fake trezor, but even then, it's pretty straightforward not to buy them on ebay.

Yes, what happened was the seller went through the initial setup process for the wallet and put a nice-looking laminated card in the box with the recovery key. The buyer didn't realize there was something unusual about this, and didn't re-generate the keys before using the wallet.

My point is, many investors are worried that they'll make a mistake, lose all their money, and then people will just shrug and call them stupid when their story hits HN the following day. With this Coinbase fund, there is no such risk.

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#114
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a somewhat debated topic in cryptocurrency. IMO what you said is not the case. If gold and silver aren't treated "like kind", and facebook and google stocks aren't treated "like kind", why would bitcoin and ethereum be treated like kind? I'm not a tax professional, but I did consult with one, and they confirmed my hunch.

> If gold and silver aren't treated "like kind", and facebook and google stocks aren't treated "like kind", why would bitcoin and ethereum be treated like kind? For the same reason that, say, transferring your wealth from an Irish bank account to a German bank account doesn’t trigger a capital-gains event in the US? I.e., those other things you listed exist “within” the US financial system. Cryptocurrencies exist out…

"I.e., those other things you listed exist “within” the US financial system. Cryptocurrencies exist outside of it"

No, they don't. They're no more "outside it" than gold or silver are.

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#115

This is a great move by Coinbase to make "owning more crypto" easier for the average (accredited) investor. But 4 coins != the market. Like others, we've tried to maintain our own index of top cryptocurrencies, and experienced all the same repetitive issues of calculating asset shares, etc. So we created a tool to help ourselves, and hopefully others: https://thecoindexer.com . It takes an input portfolio (on CoinFYI…

Brilliant. Much safer solution than handing over keys etc.

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#117

"Index fund" has a meaning if the economy itself the fund is built on top of is stable. For example, stock market index fund makes sense because stocks are built on top of capitalism, which has proven to work for a long time. Nobody would buy a index fund from a communist country, because time has proven communism is not profitable. I think people are missing the point if they're investing in crypto index funds, beca…

>>For example, stock market index fund makes sense because stocks are built on top of capitalism, which has proven to work for a long time. Nobody would buy a index fund from a communist country, because time has proven communism is not profitable.

That is not what index funds are for, or aren't for, at all.

Parts of bond index funds I own are invested in "communist" countries and I'm glad to have the diversification.

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#118

I'd avoid this. Coinbase knows the time and price of potential crypto entrants, and this fact can be manipulated to make the fund the bag-holder for shitcoin pump-and-dumps. Like, a fundamental thing about market-cap weighted index funds is that they buy a fixed percentage of a security in the index, regardless of price. If the fund has 1/100k of the market cap of all the coins listed on Coinbase, you can buy 1/100k…

That seems unlikely given GDAX has publicly released it's criteria for listing new assets.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#119
Dang, I was looking everywhere for something like this just a couple months ago! I ended up digging through the GDAX API docs, writing a node script, and scheduling it [0], but I'd rather not be in the business of script maintenance.

The fees and accredited investor requirement will keep me with what I've got, though :/

[0]:https://www.chrisjeakle.com/projects/#gdax-automation

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#120
post #103

For anyone wondering why this is better than just buying the coins yourself, here are some reasons: 1. Non-technical investors don't know which coins to buy. There are some genuinely good coins, and lots of scams, and they look pretty much identical to the untrained eye. 2. Non-technical investors don't know how to store coins safely. Words like "cold wallet" and "Trezor" don't mean anything to them. Even if they wan…

Regarding #4, you may still have a capital gains event[1] on rebalance depending how this is structured. A good analogy is the tax treatment of mutual funds vs ETFs.

[1]: Or more likely loss.

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