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MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Slight tangent but is it the case that the vast majority of Android apps (like >99%) which ask for superfluous permissions that cannot be denied or revoked, are about to become illegal under GDPR?

It looks like much of what's going on here would already be illegal under the existing EU data protection rules, even without the GDPR. But does MoviePass operate within the EU?

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MoviePass announced their their new, improved, and unrestricted plans in August. We all knew the $10 a month plan was not going to be profitably by itself. In the last week they have started blocking out specific movies, requiring some users to provide photographic proof of their ticket purchases, and bragged about collecting data outside what is described in their TOS. This is after already locking out customers fro…

Yep... it did sound unfeasible. This is sad, cause it's a matter of pricing. At $20 it's still worth it. In Paris, there is a subscription that lets you access 75% of theaters (2 big chains and most independent theaters) for 20ish euros a month. A normal ticket is 10 euros. This has existing for 10+ years, and they didn't need a tracking app...

UGC unlimited ?

I had it back in the days, and the pricepoint was such that you needed to be a heavy user for it to make sense (at least 3 movies a month). Back in the days I was a student ands went to see almost every single movie, so the price made sense.

But at 20$ I would not take moviepass. As an adult, I don't want to commit pr force myself to 3 movies a month.

10$ is the cutoff for me ?(and I believe for most of the busy people), as I'm trying to go once or twice a month, for movies that I would mostly not "pay for".

Also, UGC unlimited is very different as it is managed by the theater chain itself, meaning that only need to pay the marginal cost of the ticket, while MoviePass need to pay the full public price of the ticket for each movie you go watch.

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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This is why a company "privacy policy" doesn't mean anything - they can change it with no warning or just plain lie about it. The only purpose is to placate their users.

Maybe that's true in say the US, or some states in the US, but it isn't true everywhere. The EU is probably the biggest counterexample, with relatively strong privacy and data protection rules already, and almost draconian new rules for organisations that are working with personal data coming into effect later this year with the GDPR. A privacy policy is a part of the rules there, and misleading with one could get you in trouble with the regulators if someone complained.

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Jokes on them, I've purchased all of my tickets via an Android Emulator and GPS spoofing. I've got it setup such that I text my home box that it's "movie time" and I get a response as soon as the app says the card is loaded.

Half jokingly , I thought about doing the same thing and "Milk" the service. That is use as many subscription as you have family members//friends, buy one ticket a day and sell them all back on Craigslist for 25% less.

I would never do it of course, but I'm surprised nobody is doing it.

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the environment will stay like this for long. Investors in MoviePass will likely not make their money back. Or maybe they'll break even on a sale of assets to some major theater chain, if everyone involved is smart. Afterward, future investors in companies like this will use MoviePass as another example for the fact the times when you could form a business mostly based on collecting user data is over. T…

People going to theaters is on the decline. If MoviePass reverses that trend they will have shown their value. I'm going to wager they're at a tipping point.

Reverse that trend by giving away tickets? Is that sustainable?

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the environment will stay like this for long. Investors in MoviePass will likely not make their money back. Or maybe they'll break even on a sale of assets to some major theater chain, if everyone involved is smart. Afterward, future investors in companies like this will use MoviePass as another example for the fact the times when you could form a business mostly based on collecting user data is over. T…

People going to theaters is on the decline. If MoviePass reverses that trend they will have shown their value. I'm going to wager they're at a tipping point.

Theatres will have to find some other way to draw crowds, or they will be replaced by stores and restaurants that make more money per unit area.

I suspect if they do find some other way, it will be based on some relatively new technology (perhaps already existing, like smartphones, or up-and-coming like some kind of AR), or it would have happened already.

I've been trying to thing of a movie theatre / lan party combo, but haven't been able to come up with anything useful.

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> I fail to see who MoviePass hurt except its own investors. Games on the iOS App Store are generally free (or 99 cents). It is not profitable to recoup your costs by selling the product, because consumers will not pay for an app that costs more money than $1. In order to sustain this environment, the industry has moved to selling data, ads, and other sort of nonsense. Let's suggest that MoviePass successfully "disru…

> because consumers will not pay for an app that costs more money than $1 I'm quite the opposite. If a game on the play store is low priced/free and contain the "in-app"-purchases label I run far away. It's a bit sad as some use this method as a demo with only a "full game" unlock in-app and I won't know. But I've been burned by that in the past, i.e. buy a full version without adds of a game and having the "full ver…

Not sure if Play Store has the same thing, but the App Store lets you expand the IAPs if you scroll down, so you can see whether it's just a full game unlock or garbage ingame currencies.

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Any app that asks for your location can and will track you. This is so lucrative that Foursquare pivoted the whole company around the concept of location data as a service ( https://enterprise.foursquare.com/ ). Fortunately, you just need to revoke the permission (or don't grant it in the first place) if you want to avoid being tracked. If you're concerned about this, I'd definitely suggest doing a quick check of the…

and any app that asks for wifi names or network connection info is also tracking your location

can't turn those off though on android

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the environment will stay like this for long. Investors in MoviePass will likely not make their money back. Or maybe they'll break even on a sale of assets to some major theater chain, if everyone involved is smart. Afterward, future investors in companies like this will use MoviePass as another example for the fact the times when you could form a business mostly based on collecting user data is over. T…

MoviePass is majority-owned by Helios & Matheson, a public company (NASDAQ:HMNY).

Helios & Matheson seems to be an Indian outsourcing firm.
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