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MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Post by AJ007 »

thevardanian wrote: post #95
013a wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the environment will stay like this for long. Investors in MoviePass will likely not make their money back. Or maybe they'll break even on a sale of assets to some major theater chain, if everyone involved is smart. Afterward, future investors in companies like this will use MoviePass as another example for the fact the times when you could form a business mostly based on collecting user data is over. T…

People going to theaters is on the decline. If MoviePass reverses that trend they will have shown their value. I'm going to wager they're at a tipping point.

But Moviepass’s investors won’t be the ones walking away with anything of value. The big theater chains & Disney were just delivered a product market fit for free. Better than free, because all of the Moviepass money went to them.

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Post by AJ007 »

dawnerd wrote: post #41
slg wrote: post #22

MoviePass announced their their new, improved, and unrestricted plans in August. We all knew the $10 a month plan was not going to be profitably by itself. In the last week they have started blocking out specific movies, requiring some users to provide photographic proof of their ticket purchases, and bragged about collecting data outside what is described in their TOS. This is after already locking out customers fro…

> they have started blocking out specific movies This was always part of the terms from day one. Shouldn't surprise anyone. Also while not specifically noted in the terms, it should be assumed they'd track your location since it spells out that you can only miss/walk out of a movie (if I remember correctly) once a month.

The only thing that should surprise anyone is if Moviepass is still in business in 2019.

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Post by debt »

slg wrote: post #22

MoviePass announced their their new, improved, and unrestricted plans in August. We all knew the $10 a month plan was not going to be profitably by itself. In the last week they have started blocking out specific movies, requiring some users to provide photographic proof of their ticket purchases, and bragged about collecting data outside what is described in their TOS. This is after already locking out customers fro…

"We all knew the $10 a month plan was not going to be profitably by itself."

So then why is everyone so butthurt about these changes?

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Post by sixothree »

thevardanian wrote: post #95
013a wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the environment will stay like this for long. Investors in MoviePass will likely not make their money back. Or maybe they'll break even on a sale of assets to some major theater chain, if everyone involved is smart. Afterward, future investors in companies like this will use MoviePass as another example for the fact the times when you could form a business mostly based on collecting user data is over. T…

People going to theaters is on the decline. If MoviePass reverses that trend they will have shown their value. I'm going to wager they're at a tipping point.

I received a MoviePass as a Christmas give. I've learned a few things.

1. I hadn't been to my local theaters in a long time.

2. I was surprised just how convenient it had become now that nobody else is visiting.

3. I am thoroughly enjoying this movie subscription service model combined with the lack of crowds at theaters.

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Post by EggsOnToast »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #97
EggsOnToast wrote: post #85

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I'm not sure why your tone is so hostile when I was just asking a clarifying question. More to your point, I don't see what part of the ToS you found especially convoluted, but since your estimate about the length is so exaggerated I doubt you actually read it. The wording was boring but clear and its formatting wasn't particularly mysterious either. If your point is more generally that we shouldn't be able to just s…

https://i.imgur.com/uPnlHlq.png Ok, its 11 pages, which according to http://niram.org/read/ should take 32 minutes to read, can be updated at any time, and contains such language as You agree to indemnify and hold MoviePass, its officers, directors, shareholders, predecessors, successors in interest, employees, agents, subsidiaries and affiliates, harmless from any demands, loss, liability, claims or expenses (includ…

The only two words that are beyond what's taught in highschool in those quoted passages are "indemnify" and "pursuant" neither of which is actually too complex to understand from a cursory google search. The sentence structure is straightforward and it's grammatically clear that the parties listed are all part of the clause pertaining to who you agree to indemnify. The bulk of your argument is that it's unfair to expect people to have a basic level of reading comprehension for a transaction that's entirely voluntary on their part. I don't see the great crime against humanity you're trying to establish here.

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Post by sixothree »

linsomniac wrote: post #87

As far as I'm concerned, it would hardly matter if the theaters charged $0 for movies. My family almost always goes to the movies for a "family date night". Last night our concession stand bill was over $60, and that's just because I din't have a drink and we didn't get popcorn. The theater we pretty much exclusively go to is one of those fancy places with the power recliners and food, so we will usually eat dinner t…

I received one as a gift and it's definitely cost me in concessions...

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Post by paulcole »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #99
paulcole wrote: post #14

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> Is there a use case in the app that makes that somewhat reasonable. Maybe image recognition to see the kinds of things you're eating/considering buying before/after going to the movies? This seems pretty reasonable to me. I consider it a fair trade for the monetary discount they're offering on their services. I don't want to spend $10-$15 whenever I want to go to the movies. But I'm more than happy to provide acces…

That doesn't seem the least bit reasonable to me. Especially if it's doing it without informing me.

If they ask for your permission to use your pictures and you give it, it shouldn't matter what they're doing. You could've said no and opted to not use their service.

Re: MoviePass CEO says the app tracks your location before and after movies

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Post by tetrahedr0n »

lghh wrote: post #15

I'm really over trying to fight companies on this on an app-by-app basis. If we want this to stop, it has to be through legislation. Either we allow companies to do it and stop acting shocked when it happens, or we legislate the possibility away.

Rare is the problem that legislation actually solves.

And

People don't want to pay for apps with money, they "just want them". So they pay with their data. The problem here isn't with the transaction, the problem is people are in the dark with what they are actually paying with.

Companies are allowed to do this. Their TOS protects them.

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