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Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by jessaustin »

stcredzero wrote: post #297
jessaustin wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why have you always voted for one particular flavor of authoritarian?

Because I was still naive. Because I bought into a narrative I no longer buy into. (Note to the reader: Which narrative do you think I buy into right now? Your answer is data on your biases.)

Since you brought up voting in the first place, I'd guess that you're still hooked on the narrative that claims "Voting is important!"

Meaningless gestures don't gain meaning just because we wish it were so.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by stcredzero »

pas wrote: post #250
stcredzero wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is my tribe accused of this time? Kicking out groups that don't hew to the party-line on YouTube. Not only the genuinely far-right, but also moderates, mainstream Republicans, and various sub-cultural enthusiasts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTI4Bm5OxkU My peeps are trying to expand broadband, so I guess none of us got the memo. As I referenced above, old-media interests and local interests oppose the expans…

Could you tl;dr the video please? > as well as broadly defined Net Neutrality I don't really see how enforcing the decoupling of ISPs from other sectors hurts competition in the ISP space, but I'm interested in what am I missing, so if you could write out the argument in detail, that'd be great, thanks! > As it is, the status-quo corporate money is being used as leverage against new media through YouTube. Could you h…

Sky Williams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkp6wRooxKU

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by knieveltech »

stcredzero wrote: post #281
knieveltech wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they are, neither party is left of center on the political spectrum.

Of course they are, neither party is left of center on the political spectrum. This is a prime example of the re-labeling of everything to the right of Bernie Sanders.

It certainly is nothing of the kind. You dragged that Sanders-shaped strawman in with you. Since you appear to harbor the common delusion that mainstream Democrats are, in fact, on the left side of the political spectrum here's some light reading. You'll note that the overwhelming majority of the entire range of opinions detailed here bear little to no resemblance to the standard Democratic party platform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by hsod »

stcredzero wrote: post #244
specialist wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...now wielded by the Far Left..." What is my tribe accused of this time? My peeps are trying to expand broadband, so I guess none of us got the memo.

What is my tribe accused of this time? Kicking out groups that don't hew to the party-line on YouTube. Not only the genuinely far-right, but also moderates, mainstream Republicans, and various sub-cultural enthusiasts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTI4Bm5OxkU My peeps are trying to expand broadband, so I guess none of us got the memo. As I referenced above, old-media interests and local interests oppose the expans…

Can you elaborate on how expanded broadband would prevent YouTube from catering to it's advertisers?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by dlgeek »

avree wrote: post #23
mcny wrote: post #7

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My understanding is that homeowners in the bay area have some next level NIMBY ism that even Google can't overcome. Those fiber huts have to go somewhere...

And yet companies like AT&T and Comcast have been able to improve their infrastructure and launch fiber in more and more areas in the Bay Area (it's more than just San Francisco, you know!) The cause is not NIMBYism, or any other negative traits you might try to tag on to people from the Bay, but rather, the existing telecom companies and their attempts to protect their pseudo-monopoly. https://www.mercurynews.com/20…

To be fair, AT&T and Comcast have existing infrastructure (mostly poles) they can leverage.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by stcredzero »

jessaustin wrote: post #301
stcredzero wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I was still naive. Because I bought into a narrative I no longer buy into. (Note to the reader: Which narrative do you think I buy into right now? Your answer is data on your biases.)

Since you brought up voting in the first place, I'd guess that you're still hooked on the narrative that claims "Voting is important!" Meaningless gestures don't gain meaning just because we wish it were so.

Since you brought up voting in the first place, I'd guess that you're still hooked on the narrative that claims "Voting is important!"

That's not a good inference. Before I answer, let me ask you: Do you think the election of Trump is at all significant?

Meaningless gestures don't gain meaning just because we wish it were so.

The subject of discussion was my political affiliation, not whether my votes were significant. So your sentence is a bit of a non-sequitur.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by stcredzero »

AFNobody wrote: post #299
stcredzero wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except this is a GOP agenda...You are just accusing anything involving regulations as "Leftist" without acknowledging it is the standard banners of your own party that enable it. I am not a Republican. I've always voted Democrat. When your expectations are 180-deg out of whack, it's time to re-visit your world view and assumptions.

So your argument now is Republicans are "Leftists"?

No. I certainly don't disagree that Republicans also finagle with laws and regulations for their own interests, to the detriment of the public. Perhaps this is the source of your confusion.

The Far-Left is the group which currently has enough power to attempt the silencing of others to the detriment of free speech, and get away with it on a widespread basis. It does so on a daily basis, with the help of corporate power.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by stcredzero »

knieveltech wrote: post #303
stcredzero wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they are, neither party is left of center on the political spectrum. This is a prime example of the re-labeling of everything to the right of Bernie Sanders.

It certainly is nothing of the kind. You dragged that Sanders-shaped strawman in with you. Since you appear to harbor the common delusion that mainstream Democrats are, in fact, on the left side of the political spectrum here's some light reading. You'll note that the overwhelming majority of the entire range of opinions detailed here bear little to no resemblance to the standard Democratic party platform: https://en…

Since you appear to harbor the common delusion that mainstream Democrats are, in fact, on the left side of the political spectrum

Here is another example of the re-labeling of everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders! Sorry, but I distinctly remember that the Democrats were the Left and the Republicans were the Right. You seem to be clearly interested in a dramatic shift to the Left. Thanks for being open about it.

(For what you are saying to make sense, you'd have to have Bernie Sanders smack dab in the center. Sorry, but what weird alternative universe do you live in?)

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Post by throwaway84742 »

That’s because google rewards launching and doesn’t reward improvement. People launched, got their brownie points, and now things are staffed by two kinds of folks: a). Those who don’t yet know they’ll get nothing for their effort, and b). Those who do. So things deteriorate on their way to getting canceled. This happens all the time there.

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

sireat wrote: post #199
apeace wrote: post #175

As you can surmise by reading this article, the rise of the wireless ISPs (or WISPs) is not because the wireless technology is better or drastically cheaper. It's because in so many places, the incumbents are able to prevent you from building out fiber. They simply haven't developed the weapons to destroy the WISPs yet, but unless the political climate in states/cities changes, they will. It is tough for WISPs to com…

Speaking of latency: a well calibrated point to point wireless connection is less latency than fiber jumping a bunch of switches. Proof: finance industry's wide use of microwave towers. https://meanderful.blogspot.com/2017/05/lines-radios-and-cab... There was another set of articles describing microwave towers in Europe, quite fascinating. Not sure if this was the one: https://sniperinmahwah.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/…

Proof: because EM radiation travels at basically the speed of light and take the shortest distance between two points.
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