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Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by mdekkers »

woodandsteel wrote: post #75
primitur wrote: post #7

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I've always considered the idea that the Cold War was "over" to be nothing but propaganda designed to prevent people from wondering why their nation is spending $Trillion on their military. Of course the Cold War is still happening: America has been exporting war wholesale for decades. Just because Russia hasn't been doing it at the same scale as well, doesn't mean squat. The US and Russia have had plenty of opportun…

> The trouble is, they're not the only parties to this farce. Incredibly powerful, massively entrenched super-power-like military industrial multinational corporations are involved as well, and there is no way in HELL they are going to let their number one revenue source dry up just because we all want peace. But Russia is the number two arms exporter, and it spends a higher percentage of its gdp on defense. But you'…

But Russia is the number two arms exporter, and it spends a higher percentage of its gdp on defense.

Factually, that may be correct, but in context the numbers spell out a different picture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_...

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by mdekkers »

torstenvl wrote: post #67
woodandsteel wrote: post #59

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>So long as Russia has territory it doesn't control inside what it views to be its natural geological boundaries, there will always be Russian aggression. Quite true. The problem is that in order to gain the territory, it takes aggressive actions that provoke the very hostility it fears. Russia's basic problem is it thinks we are still in the pre-nuclear era where great powers regularly invaded each other, and the pr…

Right. But as long as it can manipulate its way toward that expansion (by, say, laying claim to the ethnic Russian populations in eastern Ukraine and playing tough to the West to inhibit any retaliation) it won't have to get involved in all-out war. Agree 100%. Russia's biggest strength is also its biggest weakness: reliance on outdated forms of dominance. What we ought to be doing is working closely with China to de…

our ability to cripple Russia economically

What would be the point of that? And, come to think of it, what do you think the likely outcome of such a situation would be? Good for you, you laid evil Putin low. And what about all the actual people living in Russia? Collateral damage?

Warfare, economic or otherwise, is only the answer for people who lack the ability to think creatively.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by da02 »

v_lisivka wrote: post #88
da02 wrote: post #71

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Are there any US agents in the Ukraine? For example, the US funding of the "Azov Battalion": "Yet some have expressed concern that some of this aid has made its way into the hands of neo-Nazi groups, such as the Azov Battalion. Last summer the Daily Beast published an interview by the journalists Will Cathcart and Joseph Epstein in which a member of the Azov battalion spoke about “his battalion’s experience with U.S.…

I was in Civil Azov for a week. I saw no Nazi in Azov regiment. It's pure military unit. Can you point to _any_ evidence? (But exclude information from Russian Federation, please: it's completely OK for Russian invaders to have fear of Ukrainian military and throw dirty words and bold statements at them).

Are any of these videos below inaccurate? They show Azov logo as a combination of 3 fascist symbols. (Keep in mind, the mainstream media (CNN, FOX, NBC, CBS, PBS, etc) is very anti-Russian and it's only independent media that uses the word "Neo-NAZI". Mainstream media in the US repeats the press releases of the Republicans and Democrats with little investigation into their claims.)

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf0vbGj9cO4

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTX6JRpRY_E

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiBXmbkwiSw

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meWM4lChqy4

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY&t=262s

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by v_lisivka »

da02 wrote: post #93
v_lisivka wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was in Civil Azov for a week. I saw no Nazi in Azov regiment. It's pure military unit. Can you point to _any_ evidence? (But exclude information from Russian Federation, please: it's completely OK for Russian invaders to have fear of Ukrainian military and throw dirty words and bold statements at them).

Are any of these videos below inaccurate? They show Azov logo as a combination of 3 fascist symbols. (Keep in mind, the mainstream media (CNN, FOX, NBC, CBS, PBS, etc) is very anti-Russian and it's only independent media that uses the word "Neo-NAZI". Mainstream media in the US repeats the press releases of the Republicans and Democrats with little investigation into their claims.) * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M…

OMG. It's symbol of French Revolution.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/nation-state-definition-exa...

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by da02 »

v_lisivka wrote: post #94
da02 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are any of these videos below inaccurate? They show Azov logo as a combination of 3 fascist symbols. (Keep in mind, the mainstream media (CNN, FOX, NBC, CBS, PBS, etc) is very anti-Russian and it's only independent media that uses the word "Neo-NAZI". Mainstream media in the US repeats the press releases of the Republicans and Democrats with little investigation into their claims.) * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M…

OMG. It's symbol of French Revolution. https://study.com/academy/lesson/nation-state-definition-exa...

The Black Sun symbol is a symbol of the French Revolution?

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by v_lisivka »

da02 wrote: post #95
v_lisivka wrote: post #94

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OMG. It's symbol of French Revolution. https://study.com/academy/lesson/nation-state-definition-exa...

The Black Sun symbol is a symbol of the French Revolution?

Why you asking that? I suspect it because your username contains 4 letters and Swastika contains 4 wings. It cannot be coincidence, right?

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by v_lisivka »

da02 wrote: post #95
v_lisivka wrote: post #94

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OMG. It's symbol of French Revolution. https://study.com/academy/lesson/nation-state-definition-exa...

The Black Sun symbol is a symbol of the French Revolution?

Just curious: Black Sun is the symbol of Afro-German Nazi?

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by da02 »

v_lisivka wrote: post #96
da02 wrote: post #95

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The Black Sun symbol is a symbol of the French Revolution?

Why you asking that? I suspect it because your username contains 4 letters and Swastika contains 4 wings. It cannot be coincidence, right?

I'm wasn't trying to make an allegation. I was curious to see if this graphic was accurate:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Azov_Bat...

My English is not good, so I don't understand some of the sarcasm you are using. I was asking out of curiosity and to get another opinion. I meant no offense.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by v_lisivka »

da02 wrote: post #98
v_lisivka wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why you asking that? I suspect it because your username contains 4 letters and Swastika contains 4 wings. It cannot be coincidence, right?

I'm wasn't trying to make an allegation. I was curious to see if this graphic was accurate: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Azov_Bat... My English is not good, so I don't understand some of the sarcasm you are using. I was asking out of curiosity and to get another opinion. I meant no offense.

I'm not interested in discussion about heraldic. German Nazi used Latin alphabet, so it easy to found connection between Nazi and a Latin letter for anybody who want that. For example, Nazi used eagle, Russia uses eagle, and so on. It's easy.

I already pointed to source of Azov emblem: it's symbol of French Revolution. IN symbol was used in modern Ukraine since 1991 at least (i.e. from beginning of independence).

https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%83%D0%BA...

I'm interested in actual evidence of fascism in Azov, because it will help to uncover yet another Russian agent. Number of Russian agents in Ukraine is estimated to about 20 000 agents.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by v_lisivka »

da02 wrote: post #98
v_lisivka wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why you asking that? I suspect it because your username contains 4 letters and Swastika contains 4 wings. It cannot be coincidence, right?

I'm wasn't trying to make an allegation. I was curious to see if this graphic was accurate: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Azov_Bat... My English is not good, so I don't understand some of the sarcasm you are using. I was asking out of curiosity and to get another opinion. I meant no offense.

Actual Black Sun symbol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BlackSun2.jpg .
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