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Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by primitur »

refurb wrote: post #39
primitur wrote: post #30

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Honestly, I find the American propensity to blame Russia for its actions in Crimea to be of the most blatant hypocrisy one can imagine. Russia has better arguments for defending its naval bases in Crimea from Ukraine hostility, than America has for .. Iraq .. Afghanistan .. Libya .. and so on. Do Americans just not see their own hypocrisy on this issue? Russia didn't invade and destroy entire nation(s) (PLURAL) in or…

Russia was threatened by the Ukraine? Really? That's like the US invading Canada and saying "if we didn't do it Canada could have threatened our existence!". It's a ridiculous statement.

Ukraines' civil unrest put Russia's not-insignificant Crimean and eastern-Ukraine military assets at risk.

Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation - or is voting only "pure" when America does it (lol)?

Is the USA the only country who is "allowed" to protect its sovereign citizens?

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by primitur »

woodandsteel wrote: post #63
primitur wrote: post #8

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The same is true of Americas' ruling elite, yo. Stop blaming Russia - start blaming Lockheed Martin ($29.4 billion), Boeing ($14.6 billion), Raytheon ($12.3 billion), General Dynamics ($11.8 billion), Northrup Grumman ($9.5 billion), and so on .. ($number in brackets represents value of war-related contracts awarded and currently under obligation...) These companies need the Russian threat to justify their existence.

>These companies need the Russian threat to justify their existence. So you're saying that Russia would be a peaceful, friendly nation, except that the military-industrial complex, which is about 5% of the US economy, persuades congress, the State Department and every president (including Obama) to act in ways that force Russia to be militaristic back? One reason I find this highly improbable is there are lots of pow…

>Are you saying they just stand by and passively let the military-industrial lobby get what it wants?

Are you really ignoring the acounting for $Trillion defence debt that gets lost by your Pentagon masters on a regular basis?

>Putin and Russia are basically peace-loving.

Tell me again, how many foreign nations has Russia invaded, destroyed their infrastructure, militarily occupied in the last .. lets just say 30 years? Now, how many has the USA invaded? By comparison, Russia is most definitely more peaceful than the US.

>And Putin was for decades a dedicated communist who believed world peace could come about only through either revolution or conquest. And Russians are highly ethnicist and nationalist, not at all peaceful universalists.

We're not even going to go into the Death Cult to which a significant majority of American military-industrial puppets belong, eh?

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by primitur »

rocqua wrote: post #46
primitur wrote: post #10

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No, I truly think we are beyond that at this point: it is pure, profit-driven, hatred-based evil. In fact I am positive that the culture of war-mongering is SO entrenched that it has reached a pitch akin to religious fervor among America's (and Russias) elite, who utterly worship death, its instruments, and its application in driving us all into fear. The reason I think that is because there is so much GOOD technolog…

Profit-driven and hatred-based are almost opposite things. To be profit driven is to be supremely rational, and only requires looking out for oneself. To be hatred-based is to be supremely emotional, and hatred is rarely selfish. I also object to the sentence "the people are cowards and cannot face up to the facts of their own complicity in the death cult". That is hyperbole and grand-standing all around. Yet, I am s…

>Profit-driven and hatred-based are almost opposite things.

Not really, no. Not when you profit directly from peoples hatred, and its sub-product, fear. Hatred of others, fear of others.

America has commercialized hatred and weaponized fear. How else can you explain the invasion of Afghanistan when it should have had KSA in its sights?

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by primitur »

woodandsteel wrote: post #75
primitur wrote: post #7

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I've always considered the idea that the Cold War was "over" to be nothing but propaganda designed to prevent people from wondering why their nation is spending $Trillion on their military. Of course the Cold War is still happening: America has been exporting war wholesale for decades. Just because Russia hasn't been doing it at the same scale as well, doesn't mean squat. The US and Russia have had plenty of opportun…

> The trouble is, they're not the only parties to this farce. Incredibly powerful, massively entrenched super-power-like military industrial multinational corporations are involved as well, and there is no way in HELL they are going to let their number one revenue source dry up just because we all want peace. But Russia is the number two arms exporter, and it spends a higher percentage of its gdp on defense. But you'…

>blame the USA

Which country regularly destroys, utterly, the infrastructure and society of other foreign nations, through both covert and overt means, in its quest for global military domination? (Hint: its not Russia.)

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by primitur »

v_lisivka wrote: post #69
da02 wrote: post #68

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If any of those articles have inaccuracies, please say so. I never visited the Ukraine and I am not claiming to be an expert. Do you live near Kiev?

I'm from Ukraine. I have 360°FOV realtime true color view at Ukraine. You asked me to say about inaccuracies, so here is answer. In short: There is no Nazi in Ukraine. There are some attempts to create nationalistic ultra-right organizations by Russian agents, but they are monitored and destroyed as usual. (I destroyed one of them and deflect attempt to create another by myself when I was in operation).

>There is no Nazi in Ukraine.

Absolute nonsense. Neo-Nazi'sm has established itself in all of the Balkan and Eastern-European states, and fascism is on the rise. None are immune to its effects, because its growth is a tool of the military-industrial complex in its effort to derive yet more profit from fear, hatred, inhumanity.

Yesterday, it was terrorists. Tomorrow its neo-Nazi's and fascists. Either way, we're gonna need weapons to defeat them all, aren't we kids ...

https://www.quora.com/Is-Russia-justified-in-its-annexation-...

https://charlierose.com/videos/15573

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by v_lisivka »

danbruc wrote: post #70
v_lisivka wrote: post #60

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It is «The Truth» from Russian Federation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efcDkTyyZtQ You will not believe in that for the first 20 years or so, of course.

I am slightly confused why you used quotes around truth because that would often indicate that it is not actually the truth. Looking at your two comments I can not really tell if you think the involvement of Academi in the conflict actually happened or whether you are being sarcastic. Anyway, I heard about it at that time and the evidence that Academi was active in the east of the Ukraine is rather thin at best. Ther…

It's clearly marked with «J».

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Post by v_lisivka »

primitur wrote: post #85
v_lisivka wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from Ukraine. I have 360°FOV realtime true color view at Ukraine. You asked me to say about inaccuracies, so here is answer. In short: There is no Nazi in Ukraine. There are some attempts to create nationalistic ultra-right organizations by Russian agents, but they are monitored and destroyed as usual. (I destroyed one of them and deflect attempt to create another by myself when I was in operation).

>There is no Nazi in Ukraine. Absolute nonsense. Neo-Nazi'sm has established itself in all of the Balkan and Eastern-European states, and fascism is on the rise. None are immune to its effects, because its growth is a tool of the military-industrial complex in its effort to derive yet more profit from fear, hatred, inhumanity. Yesterday, it was terrorists. Tomorrow its neo-Nazi's and fascists. Either way, we're gonna…

Where I can meet Nazi in Ukraine?

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by v_lisivka »

da02 wrote: post #71
v_lisivka wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from Ukraine. I have 360°FOV realtime true color view at Ukraine. You asked me to say about inaccuracies, so here is answer. In short: There is no Nazi in Ukraine. There are some attempts to create nationalistic ultra-right organizations by Russian agents, but they are monitored and destroyed as usual. (I destroyed one of them and deflect attempt to create another by myself when I was in operation).

Are there any US agents in the Ukraine? For example, the US funding of the "Azov Battalion": "Yet some have expressed concern that some of this aid has made its way into the hands of neo-Nazi groups, such as the Azov Battalion. Last summer the Daily Beast published an interview by the journalists Will Cathcart and Joseph Epstein in which a member of the Azov battalion spoke about “his battalion’s experience with U.S.…

I was in Civil Azov for a week. I saw no Nazi in Azov regiment. It's pure military unit.

Can you point to _any_ evidence? (But exclude information from Russian Federation, please: it's completely OK for Russian invaders to have fear of Ukrainian military and throw dirty words and bold statements at them).

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by mmjaa »

v_lisivka wrote: post #87
primitur wrote: post #85

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>There is no Nazi in Ukraine. Absolute nonsense. Neo-Nazi'sm has established itself in all of the Balkan and Eastern-European states, and fascism is on the rise. None are immune to its effects, because its growth is a tool of the military-industrial complex in its effort to derive yet more profit from fear, hatred, inhumanity. Yesterday, it was terrorists. Tomorrow its neo-Nazi's and fascists. Either way, we're gonna…

Where I can meet Nazi in Ukraine?

Proceed directly to the front lines.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Post by aluhut »

bitL wrote: post #31
aluhut wrote: post #3

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Remember Bushs Missile Defense Shield in East Europe? Either the cold war never ended or it's not the cold war anymore. I'd say it's the second. The superpower game never ended but even with the sanctions, trade, travel and politics are not that locked. On the other hand there are those 2.0 war technologies like drones, trolls, cyber warfare...

I think he wanted to use time when Russia was weak and disorganized to contain it. I was thinking that better would have been incorporating Russia to EU back then, but that's not something strong EU countries wanted (being outnumbered by Russians in EU governance) - historically Russia was always trying to become a part of Europe and Europe was always looking at those attempts nervously. I guess now that game is over…

I never thought anyone wanted to have Russia seriously in the EU. I don't think the EU (or anyone) would be able to handle Russia. NATO however was another topic.
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