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Re: Some of the World's Biggest Lakes Are Drying Up

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Post by mseebach » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 6:59 PM UTC

libertine wrote: post #47

mseebach wrote: post #38

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No, you don't know the difference when you talk about climates and then link to the weather for a single day as supporting evidence.

The day was an example among a period of years of extreme drought. Drought is the outcome of years of low precipitation - it's not one day, one week,one month or one year. The recovery won't come in the same time period I said in the previous sentence. It will take years of rain to refill what was lost, not to mention there might be erosion already that have made some riverbeds/lakes permeable again, so water will no…

I don't know who you're debating. Your original comment used a reference to the weather to argue a point about climate. You can't do that, as your follow up comments clearly explain.

Re: Some of the World's Biggest Lakes Are Drying Up

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Post by radford-neal » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 7:17 PM UTC

graeme wrote: post #40

eloff wrote: post #24

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China has invested billions in constructing mammoth aqueducts to do just this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South%E2%80%93North_Water_Tran... https://www.gokunming.com/en/blog/item/4038/china_considerin... Meanwhile in Western Canada, we steadfastly refuse to sell water into the US, despite all of our fresh water running into the Pacific Ocean anyway...

In Canada there exists a widespread belief that if you start selling water, you have to sell it. I am not sure this is correct, but it is widespread, and probably affects willingness to sell anything. http://www.cbc.ca/radio/the180/more-on-nafta-and-water-parti...

It's nonsense. Even if NAFTA somehow forced the provinces to sell water at market rates to anyone who wanted to buy it, the revenue would accrue to the provincial government. Nothing would stop the provincial government from deciding to distribute this income as a dividend to all citizens. The end result is that the citizens of the province could definitely out-bid foreigners for the water, since the money they pay comes right back to them.

Re: Some of the World's Biggest Lakes Are Drying Up

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Post by libertine » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 7:40 PM UTC

mseebach wrote: post #51

libertine wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The day was an example among a period of years of extreme drought. Drought is the outcome of years of low precipitation - it's not one day, one week,one month or one year. The recovery won't come in the same time period I said in the previous sentence. It will take years of rain to refill what was lost, not to mention there might be erosion already that have made some riverbeds/lakes permeable again, so water will no…

I don't know who you're debating. Your original comment used a reference to the weather to argue a point about climate. You can't do that, as your follow up comments clearly explain.

I can do this: > You don't need to go to South America, Asia or middle East - it's happening in Europe and no one seems to notice.

First sentence commenting an article about drought in several continents, yet they didn't mention Europe. So I stated such thing is happening in Europe.

> Look at Portugal and Spain, it's becoming a desert - the day of the cold wave the south of Portugal and Spain had the same temperatures of some country's in Africa.

In this sentence I state the example of Portugal and Spain - and gave an example of a day of extreme cold, snow and rain in Europe and parts of that territory (the iberian peninsula) had a day with temperatures similar to parts of Africa.

Saying I can't use weather to argue about climate is the same thing as saying I can't talk about anything which is the outcome of something else.

I'm not saying that because of that specific weather event in that day (or days) it set the climate for that region - I say it has a point of data. I gave you more - which is a clear example of a long term effect resulting from climate change - the drought of the main river.

Do you want more data points?

Re: Some of the World's Biggest Lakes Are Drying Up

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 9:19 PM UTC

libertine wrote: post #53

mseebach wrote: post #51

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I don't know who you're debating. Your original comment used a reference to the weather to argue a point about climate. You can't do that, as your follow up comments clearly explain.

I can do this: > You don't need to go to South America, Asia or middle East - it's happening in Europe and no one seems to notice. First sentence commenting an article about drought in several continents, yet they didn't mention Europe. So I stated such thing is happening in Europe. > Look at Portugal and Spain, it's becoming a desert - the day of the cold wave the south of Portugal and Spain had the same temperature…

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Re: Some of the World's Biggest Lakes Are Drying Up

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Post by some_puffery » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 10:42 PM UTC

cstejerean wrote: post #19

woodandsteel wrote: post #14

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>This article mostly focuses on "climate change" hysterics So what is your view on climate change? Is it that the climate is not getting warmer, or it might be but we don't know if it is or it isn't, or it is getting warmer but it is all due to non-human causes, or it is getting warmer but it might be due in part to human causes but we don't know, or it is getting warmer but it is beneficial? And all the views I just…

One can fully agree that climate change is an important issue that needs to be dealt with, yet still have a problem with it being waved around irresponsibly on unrelated issues.

Right, I mean I'm a pretty hard core supporter of wildlands conservation, and I think this overemphasis on and exaggeration about climate change is gonna really hurt the environmental movement in about a decade.

Just like what happened with The Population Bomb and to a lesser extent Limits to Growth.

Re: Some of the World's Biggest Lakes Are Drying Up

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Post by narag » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 8:36 AM UTC

tpm wrote: post #36

narag wrote: post #13

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Spain mainland is separated from Africa by a mere 14 km strait, so no wonder temperature is similar, not talking about Canary Islands that are like a thousand km further to the south. Southwest mainland is becoming a desert indeed, but that's nothing new. Most classic spagetti westerns were filmed there. It's Sahara crossing the sea and a good thing for "plastic sea" (greenhouses). Almería provides several vegetables…

Not only neighbours, a big part of Eastern Europe in winter too. But the greenhouses also need a lot of water and that is getting scarce there, or not?

Cádiz, the most southern province in the mainland gets also the most rain. It's the Strait: every west wind from the Atlantic Ocean leaves the rain in the mountains woods there.

When the wind comes from the east (less often), it's usually warm and dry.