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Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #99

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #97

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> He was always awkward, but he is also very calculated. He wants in on the Chinese market. That is of course the only possibility Chinese can think of, while Americans just think he is being awkward. > And do what differently? Not do a bunch of cringe worthy stuff like asking Xi to name his child or jogging in Beijing smog.

> That is of course the only possibility Chinese can think of, while Americans just think he is being awkward. Well, I'm not Chinese, and I think those who think he's being awkward are naive. > Not do a bunch of cringe worthy stuff like asking Xi to name his child or jogging in Beijing smog. Cringe-worthy to whom? Because the Chinese audience will probably eat-up that kind of soapy stuff, the same way Americans cheri…

I was there when it happened, there was a lot of cringe, especially in Beijing.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Post by forapurpose » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 10:58 PM UTC

blackrock wrote: post #100

forapurpose wrote: post #98

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The GP comment has the hallmarks of Chinese gov't propaganda, which reaches even here. You'll see it every time criticism of China appears: 'The U.S. does it too.' Sometimes the application of it is just laughable: > Americans movies will certainly never paint America as the bad guy Wow. > There is a lot of bad blood coming out of American media about China The paranoid, we're-picked-on perspective. Much of the comme…

Everything you said, just reinforced my positions. You can't even acknowledge that my positions may have some merit. And that's the problem with trying to have a rational discussion on sensitive things like this. You get people like this guy, that only sees it from his angle. And this whole thing just becomes another echo chamber. You should consider reading this: https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/the-social-me…

Right out of the playbook. The parent comment attacks me, but not the content of the discussion, which would be valuable.

EDIT: Deleted response to personal comments.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Post by mirimir » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 11:04 PM UTC

closeparen wrote: post #86

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Conversely, it's arguable that we need social platforms that are immune to censorship by any state or private party. Such as properly implemented Tor onion services. But readily accessible from the open Internet.

You're posting this comment on Hacker News and not 4Chan for a reason. Censorship is absolutely essential to make an internet community tolerable to people outside a tiny cohort of edgelords.

That's true. But that's mostly about different userbases. HN is actually not all that censored. It's largely community moderated. Very little gets completely deleted, just downvoted and flagged to oblivion.

Disruptive users do get shadow-banned, but it's trivial to create new ones. With accumulating karma, there is some pressure to self-censor. But overall, I like it better than StackExchange or reddit, for example.

Edit: I just noticed that this submission about Bitcoin energy use has been raised from the dead: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16498776

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Post by coldtea » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 1:42 PM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #101

coldtea wrote: post #99

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> That is of course the only possibility Chinese can think of, while Americans just think he is being awkward. Well, I'm not Chinese, and I think those who think he's being awkward are naive. > Not do a bunch of cringe worthy stuff like asking Xi to name his child or jogging in Beijing smog. Cringe-worthy to whom? Because the Chinese audience will probably eat-up that kind of soapy stuff, the same way Americans cheri…

I was there when it happened, there was a lot of cringe, especially in Beijing.

Yeah, but upon the public at large, or among more sophisticated audiences?

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Post by mistermann » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 3:22 PM UTC

jcranmer wrote: post #67

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I believe this war will be won economically/politically/socially, not militarily, and China holds most of the cards in those areas if you ask me. EDIT: Hey serial downvoter, do you realize you've missed a few?

If there's one thing history shows starkly, it's that trying to fight a war without getting militarily involved does not end well.

Except for the cases where it went well and therefore doesn't register in your consideration.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Post by mistermann » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 7:01 PM UTC

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #79

mistermann wrote: post #19

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The Canadian federal government seems to have been compromised as well, there is significant amounts of serious financial and drug crimes occurring in Canada that is very clearly disproportionately (to put it nicely) associated with immigrants from mainland China, newspapers are regularly reporting on it, there are anecdotal stories all over the place, but there's no "evidence" because law enforcement will not touch…

Why would the Canadian govt. give special treatment to Chinese people? I think there's just not clear evidence. Look at the endless talk of Chinese people running up the prices of homes in Vancouver, that gets tons of attention, but it's generally legal. The crimes you suggest are much different than that.

Money laundering and immigration fraud are absolutely not legal, but they are absolutely not punished in Canada when committed by mainland Chinese. That is a fact, not an opinion.