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Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by meetapoorvgupta » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 6:59 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #339

alanlovestea wrote: post #337

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don't be fooled by the media. Trump supports legal immigration and is allocating more quota to legal immigrants. As a result, tons of legal immigrants support Trump.

> Trump supports legal immigration and is allocating more quota to legal immigrants Trump has proposed eliminating many of the major existing categories of legal immigration in the core, family-owned action based system. He's proposed replacing the eliminated categories with a small number of renewable non-immigrant (no path to citizenship or work permission) visas for parents of US citizens. He's proposed no concret…

He has also expressed a strong desire to revamp the permanent residence visa allocation process to use an individual-focused, merit-based system that prefers applicants with a high income.

If I had to choose one, I'd prefer more employment visas over family visas and definitely diversity visas.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by meetapoorvgupta » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 7:04 AM UTC

notacoward wrote: post #266

wycs wrote: post #68

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Then company X gets rightfully trounced by a Chinese firm 5 years from now which does not share our ridiculous racial taboos. Some crimes are self policing.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that Chinese firms don't have their own racial taboos? Or gender issues? That directly contradicts every experience I've had or report I've heard. Aren't their crimes self-policing too?

All I know is that China has a huge, ambitious, STEM-focused workforce and a smaller economy. They could discriminate against applicants on any arbitrary basis ( I have no idea if they do, but that's irrelevant) and still continue to hire lots of intelligent, highly-qualified, and hard-working employees.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by gaius » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 7:46 AM UTC

ransom1538 wrote: post #146

bitL wrote: post #140

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You specify your "race"/"gender" during application (or refuse to answer). It's up to you how you want to move forward I guess.

Then I wonder why poeple just don't lie? EG just put down: disabled autistic transgender native american. Everyone wins. Google gets to check a bunch of boxes and helps you jump to the top of the list. I doubt they would check your parents race and examine your privates.

native american

That strategy has been shown to work. And people are more angry about the beneficiary being called out about it, than they are that they stole a reserved spot in the first place.

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Post by alecco » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 11:32 AM UTC

JohnTHaller wrote: post #284

master-litty wrote: post #62

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Towards the end of last year I actually did apply to Google in Mountain View for Software Engineering. I believe my on-site went excellent technically overall, but I had a hard time meshing with a couple of my interviewers and wasn't surprised about my rejection. Nothing strange about that personally. However, another Google recruiter reached out to me for two other potential positions, said I would be an excellent f…

Apparently all the large technical companies do this. I had this happen after I did 2 phone interviews with one of the big silicon valley tech companies after their recruiters called me for 3 years. They had a position they were interested in me for specifically but were waiting for the manager to get back from leave. Said they'd call when she was back. Didn't hear anything. Months later got a call asking how it went…

> you only get the job if you pro-actively call back again and again and again

Seems like a way to filter for people with low market value.

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Post by wutbrodo » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 11:48 AM UTC

friedButter wrote: post #267

wutbrodo wrote: post #189

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Did this actually happen to you? Out of curiosity, in what time period and industry? I only ask because I imagine that even the most racist HR person in the world would know to show more discretion.

> I imagine that even the most racist HR person in the world would know to show more discretion Only cause you mentioned "world", its pretty common for only women, or even women who have taken breaks to raise a child to be eligible for many jobs in India, including at companies considered "Big4" like Microsoft. There is also a suspension of the right to equality in favour of certain castes, and 50-70% of govt jobs an…

No, I didn't mean more discreet than to say that they were discriminating by gender or race; I've worked at a big 4 company in the Bay and they barely even managed to maintain plausible deniability about racism and sexism in their hiring policies. I was just referring to directly using the word "nigger" in that context.

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Post by heurist » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 3:14 PM UTC

arkona3 wrote: post #240

heurist wrote: post #208

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Guess you haven't watched Fox since you turned the TV back on... Really think you're overstating the positions liberals are putting forward. Also, your comment has no critical disagreement s with the positions themselves so I have to wonder if you're just trolling.

To be frank, Fox has been parroting the same conservative rhetoric for as long as I can remember. It’s the same as it was during the Bush years and the Obama years - O’Reilly has been replaced with Hannity and when Hannity retires another talking head will take his place. On the other hand CNN, NYT, Washington Post, MSNBC have shifted so far to the left, they would be unrecognizable to a time traveler from 15 years a…

In Clinton years, conservatives called CNN the Clinton News Network. If that's the objective period you're talking about then all you need to do is look at how "liberal media" is discussed today and draw the parallels.

The overton window has been shifting decidedly to the right since Reagan. Conservatives today have essentially all the power in this country outside of a few states, largely due to bombastic right-wing media like Fox, Rush, Sinclair, and now Breitbart. If other mainstream outlets are shifting left it is to broaden their market share in response to competition.

The country is now realizing that some bad things resulted from that and the majority of the population in this country are moderate-left, so the window seems to be moving leftward again. I imagine it will continue bouncing back and forth over the course of decades. The citizens of the US all want to maximize power/freedom for themselves. Sometimes liberal policies are the way to do that and sometimes conservative policies are the way to do that.

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Post by spicymaki » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 9:24 PM UTC

meetapoorvgupta wrote: post #341

dragonwriter wrote: post #339

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> Trump supports legal immigration and is allocating more quota to legal immigrants Trump has proposed eliminating many of the major existing categories of legal immigration in the core, family-owned action based system. He's proposed replacing the eliminated categories with a small number of renewable non-immigrant (no path to citizenship or work permission) visas for parents of US citizens. He's proposed no concret…

He has also expressed a strong desire to revamp the permanent residence visa allocation process to use an individual-focused, merit-based system that prefers applicants with a high income. If I had to choose one, I'd prefer more employment visas over family visas and definitely diversity visas.

Don't you find it strange that a nationalist like Trump would advocate for visas for high skilled foreigner which directly competes with citizens for high paying prestigious jobs? Why would a high skilled foreigner with a spouse or children want to emigrate to the US without a family visa?

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Post by owlsaway » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 9:38 PM UTC

sin7 wrote: post #224

spicymaki wrote: post #201

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I am trying to wrap my head around this. The level of black employees at Google is at 2% and actually dropped since 2016. How fair is it to say from a statistical point of view that if you did not get hired, you lost out to a lesser qualified black person and not someone from a white or asian of equal or more qualifications? I pick on the black statistic specifically because at the end of the day the blow back for th…

If you were to accept the current estimates on IQ, where blacks have an average IQ of 85, Hispanics an average IQ of 90, whites an average IQ of 100 and Asians an average IQ of 105 with a standard deviation of 15 by design, and that Youtube only hires people two standard deviations from the mean, then about 2% of employees would be black, 5% Hispanic, 30% white and 63% Asian. I am quite sure that whites are over repr…

How are you drawing the conclusion that IQ is correlated with hiring value?

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Post by spicymaki » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 9:47 PM UTC

omikun wrote: post #334

spicymaki wrote: post #157

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I know this is not popular, but honestly how do you stop discrimination against women and others? It is easy to say “stop doing this,” but does that happen?

You stop discrimination by changing the brand. Many people have the impression that women aren't good at STEM, so hire more high quality women. Can't find enough of them? Grow your own. Google can start free bootcamps and apprenticeships aimed at women (men are welcomed too of course, just like women in engineering groups), don't graduate them until they meet a certain level of excellence. It might be more expensive,…

How do you create a bootcamp/apprenticeship system aimed at women, but is gender neutral in terms of admissions?

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Post by meetapoorvgupta » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 2:31 AM UTC

spicymaki wrote: post #347

meetapoorvgupta wrote: post #341

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He has also expressed a strong desire to revamp the permanent residence visa allocation process to use an individual-focused, merit-based system that prefers applicants with a high income. If I had to choose one, I'd prefer more employment visas over family visas and definitely diversity visas.

Don't you find it strange that a nationalist like Trump would advocate for visas for high skilled foreigner which directly competes with citizens for high paying prestigious jobs? Why would a high skilled foreigner with a spouse or children want to emigrate to the US without a family visa?

Young, unmarried individuals will be able to immigrate. Applicants can also bring in their spouses if they are educated and can are fluent in English.

It appeases his nationalist base because it would not give visas to immigrants in low-paid jobs. Most of those voters were never in contention for the high-paying tech jobs anyway. They have no reason to care too much about them.

Overall immigration will decrease.