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Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by tarken » Fri, Mar 02, 2018, 5:40 AM UTC

bb88 wrote: post #154

dlwdlw wrote: post #153

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You should look more into the history of the US as well as international opinions. The US isn't a paragon of virtue, it is only able to sell its own narrative of events because of its economic and cultural weight. Even the belief that the rich/powerful mist have some sort of virtue is only one perspective that conveniently allows the US the moral high ground. No country, no person, no thing is perfect. All evil comes…

I'm fully aware of the failures of US Foreign Policy. But when you argue about a topic that affects the security of the US, there really is no such thing as "moral high ground". Edited to add: I believe China holds that true as well when discussing the security of China, considering the number of spies that are in the US.

"the failures of us foreign policy" that sure is a fancy way of saying "neoimperialism"

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by puppetmaster400 » Fri, Mar 02, 2018, 9:26 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #138

puppetmaster400 wrote: post #133

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What China did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_economic_zones_of_Chin... is very reproducible, by USA or anyone. They for decades had 10% GDP growth: BY REDUCING TAXES. Not something popular in California - due to Cali math(CA tax payer does not understand that lower taxes = higher tax revenue )

The other trick China used is that it started with a very small economy. Per capita GDP is still less than $10,000 per person, compared to $56,000 in California. Have you done your homework on your tax claim? Because it isn't actually guaranteed that lower tax rates will lead to higher tax revenue, it depends on the specifics of the tax regime and proposed cut.

My homework?

Small or big: cutting taxes provides growth. Including more tax revenue.

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by natalyarostova » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 5:32 PM UTC

baursak wrote: post #168

bb88 wrote: post #154

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I'm fully aware of the failures of US Foreign Policy. But when you argue about a topic that affects the security of the US, there really is no such thing as "moral high ground". Edited to add: I believe China holds that true as well when discussing the security of China, considering the number of spies that are in the US.

> But when you argue about a topic that affects the security of the US, there really is no such thing as "moral high ground". So all your concerns boil down to us-vs-them tribalism?

Classifying something as tribalism doesn't make it not an important or real factor to be acted upon. Although I think the term nationalism is more pointed. I live in the US. My family lives in the US, and my well-being is attached to the success of the US.

I'm not arbitrarily in favor of everything the US does, but on the margin, I am in favor of policies that optimize this country's success.

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by pmontra » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 7:42 PM UTC

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #167

pmontra wrote: post #121

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You'll probably enjoy this essay "Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadil" https://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html

Ok, that was awesome. I don't buy it at all (if Sauron was indeed a threat to Tom, or if Tom could be bound by the art of the Valar, I feel as though the ring would effect him as well), but it was a really fun read. A fun thought invoked by this, and given Tolkien's intent to create a creation myth for our Earth, is somewhere out there Tom still sits in his forest, waiting, for when the might of the Valar fades. Feel…

Oh, if you're also in Lovecraftian horrors you should read this paper https://arxiv.org/abs/1210.8144

"Possible Bubbles of Spacetime Curvature in the South Pacific"

Re: China using big data to detain people before crime is committed

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Post by slededit » Sun, Mar 04, 2018, 8:33 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #175

forapurpose wrote: post #174

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It would be great if you could cite some examples. The American Revolution and War of 1812 clearly are not ones; the UK was not a democracy. The wars in the former Yugoslavia are a stretch; those were at best very nascent democracies. > if you use a definition of Democracy that isn't so narrow ... The word has a meaning; these aren't narrow definitions any more than saying 'Manchester United isn't a basketball team'…

> The American Revolution and War of 1812 clearly are not ones; the UK was not a democracy. At what point precisely did the Westminster system, one of the more common models of modern democracy, become a democracy? Note that the later you peg and the more narrowly you define “democracy” to justify it, the more you make the case that there have been so few democracies that, given the actual historicsl frequency of int…

The transitioned happened during the reign of Queen Victoria where the monarchy transitioned from a seat of power to a ceremonial role.